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southnorwoodhill 16 Feb 21 8.16am
Originally posted by PatrickA So are the players disobeying Hodgson with this slow passing out from the back sideways and backwards? One assumes they are following his tactics. When Benteke plays and receives only one cross in the air during a match are they disobeying tactics? When Ayew is selected right of a midfield 4 and spends his whole match anywhere other than on the right is he disobeying tactics? Put players in their correct positions and play to their strengths. If they don’t perform, make changes. It’s not that complicated. Good post. For me the players look directionless, they seem to lack any idea of what they are trying to achieve, particularly without Zaha. If, as you say, they are following Hodgson's instructions it is quite damning on him and highlights his organisational and motivational failings. If on the other hand they are rebelling and doing their own thing, he's lost the players, which is equally as damning.
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Originally posted by PatrickA

So are the players disobeying Hodgson with this slow passing out from the back sideways and backwards?
One assumes they are following his tactics.
When Benteke plays and receives only one cross in the air during a match are they disobeying tactics?
When Ayew is selected right of a midfield 4 and spends his whole match anywhere other than on the right is he disobeying tactics?
Put players in their correct positions and play to their strengths.
If they don’t perform, make changes.
It’s not that complicated.

Good post. For me the players look directionless, they seem to lack any idea of what they are trying to achieve, particularly without Zaha. If, as you say, they are following Hodgson's instructions it is quite damning on him and highlights his organisational and motivational failings. If on the other hand they are rebelling and doing their own thing, he's lost the players, which is equally as damning.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 8.30am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Good post. For me the players look directionless, they seem to lack any idea of what they are trying to achieve, particularly without Zaha. If, as you say, they are following Hodgson's instructions it is quite damning on him and highlights his organisational and motivational failings. If on the other hand they are rebelling and doing their own thing, he's lost the players, which is equally as damning. I don't think Mr Hodgson instructed Dann to make a complete mess of a routine clearance for Burnley's open goal, nor tell his players to offer no challenge whatsoever at a corner headed in from within the 6-yard box,nor tell PVA to fall on the floor leading up to Burnley's third goal. No manager is above criticism but Mr Hodgson has to work with an aged squad, many well past their best and whose desire might have diminished due to their contract situations.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 8.30am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Good post. For me the players look directionless, they seem to lack any idea of what they are trying to achieve, particularly without Zaha. If, as you say, they are following Hodgson's instructions it is quite damning on him and highlights his organisational and motivational failings. If on the other hand they are rebelling and doing their own thing, he's lost the players, which is equally as damning.

I don't think Mr Hodgson instructed Dann to make a complete mess of a routine clearance for Burnley's open goal, nor tell his players to offer no challenge whatsoever at a corner headed in from within the 6-yard box,nor tell PVA to fall on the floor leading up to Burnley's third goal.

No manager is above criticism but Mr Hodgson has to work with an aged squad, many well past their best and whose desire might have diminished due to their contract situations.

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PatrickA London 16 Feb 21 8.44am
To use your terminology , Willo, with the utmost respect it does not seem you are looking at Hodgson objectively. You appear to see him through a prism where he can do little, if anything, wrong. It would as you say be unreasonable to blame him for individual mistakes, but he continually selects the culprits. He’s the manager and is permitted to make changes. He’s also responsible for our confused tactics where we look neither convincing when defending or attacking. In past seasons under him we looked well drilled with players, at least defensively, appearing to know their roles. This has all gone and I don’t feel it’s sustainable to blame it all on the age of the players and the contractual situations. In days gone by players used to try extra hard towards the end of their contracts with a view to being awarded a new contract.
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London 16 Feb 21 8.44am

To use your terminology , Willo, with the utmost respect it does not seem you are looking at Hodgson objectively.
You appear to see him through a prism where he can do little, if anything, wrong.
It would as you say be unreasonable to blame him for individual mistakes, but he continually selects the culprits.
He’s the manager and is permitted to make changes.
He’s also responsible for our confused tactics where we look neither convincing when defending or attacking.
In past seasons under him we looked well drilled with players, at least defensively, appearing to know their roles.
This has all gone and I don’t feel it’s sustainable to blame it all on the age of the players and the contractual situations.
In days gone by players used to try extra hard towards the end of their contracts with a view to being awarded a new contract.

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Knightstar Guildford 16 Feb 21 8.49am
Quite right. The ageing squad is a major problem and it must start to be tackled with significant changes in the summer. Whilst Hodgson can't be blamed for the numerous individual errors of which there are certainly too many, I agree with numerous others that he is responsible for team selections, the tactics deployed and how well motivated the players are and he is falling short in all these areas. However, I suspect Parish won't do anything about replacing Hodgson until the summer, as he will expect him to get the 6-9 points we need to secure safety. Let's hope he's right and that Parish is already lining up a replacement so things can move swiftly once the season ends.
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Guildford 16 Feb 21 8.49am

Quite right. The ageing squad is a major problem and it must start to be tackled with significant changes in the summer. Whilst Hodgson can't be blamed for the numerous individual errors of which there are certainly too many, I agree with numerous others that he is responsible for team selections, the tactics deployed and how well motivated the players are and he is falling short in all these areas. However, I suspect Parish won't do anything about replacing Hodgson until the summer, as he will expect him to get the 6-9 points we need to secure safety. Let's hope he's right and that Parish is already lining up a replacement so things can move swiftly once the season ends.

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slubglurge welling 16 Feb 21 9.01am
The players look directionless because we only have one tactic which is give the ball to Wilf which has been the case for a long time now. When he is not there they literally dont know what to do. We also have no on the field leader. Jedinak would have been kicking their backsides all round Selhurst. He never left anything back in the changing room whereas our players at the moment seem to have left their whole bodies there.
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welling 16 Feb 21 9.01am

The players look directionless because we only have one tactic which is give the ball to Wilf which has been the case for a long time now. When he is not there they literally dont know what to do. We also have no on the field leader. Jedinak would have been kicking their backsides all round Selhurst. He never left anything back in the changing room whereas our players at the moment seem to have left their whole bodies there.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 9.08am
Originally posted by PatrickA To use your terminology , Willo, with the utmost respect it does not seem you are looking at Hodgson objectively. You appear to see him through a prism where he can do little, if anything, wrong. It would as you say be unreasonable to blame him for individual mistakes, but he continually selects the culprits. He’s the manager and is permitted to make changes. He’s also responsible for our confused tactics where we look neither convincing when defending or attacking. In past seasons under him we looked well drilled with players, at least defensively, appearing to know their roles. This has all gone and I don’t feel it’s sustainable to blame it all on the age of the players and the contractual situations. In days gone by players used to try extra hard towards the end of their contracts with a view to being awarded a new contract. Of course Mr Hodgson is the 'Lightning rod' but I have considered the 'Bigger picture'. After the last two abject performances there are those who have opined that he has "Lost the dressing room" but of course no such sentiments were expressed after the back-to-back wins against Wolves and Newcastle. Finally, in terms of "Seeing him through a prism...", perhaps my spectacles are out of focus and I need to go to Specsavers!! Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2021 9.19am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 9.08am

Originally posted by PatrickA

To use your terminology , Willo, with the utmost respect it does not seem you are looking at Hodgson objectively.
You appear to see him through a prism where he can do little, if anything, wrong.
It would as you say be unreasonable to blame him for individual mistakes, but he continually selects the culprits.
He’s the manager and is permitted to make changes.
He’s also responsible for our confused tactics where we look neither convincing when defending or attacking.
In past seasons under him we looked well drilled with players, at least defensively, appearing to know their roles.
This has all gone and I don’t feel it’s sustainable to blame it all on the age of the players and the contractual situations.
In days gone by players used to try extra hard towards the end of their contracts with a view to being awarded a new contract.

Of course Mr Hodgson is the 'Lightning rod' but I have considered the 'Bigger picture'.

After the last two abject performances there are those who have opined that he has "Lost the dressing room" but of course no such sentiments were expressed after the back-to-back wins against Wolves and Newcastle.

Finally, in terms of "Seeing him through a prism...", perhaps my spectacles are out of focus and I need to go to Specsavers!!

Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2021 9.19am)

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PatrickA London 16 Feb 21 9.19am
I too am concerned about the 'Bigger Picture,' in particular if there is a possibility of Hodgson remaining at the helm next season
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London 16 Feb 21 9.19am

I too am concerned about the 'Bigger Picture,' in particular if there is a possibility of Hodgson remaining at the helm next season

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 9.31am
Originally posted by PatrickA I too am concerned about the 'Bigger Picture,' in particular if there is a possibility of Hodgson remaining at the helm next season The scenario could unfold whereby we survive in the PL yet again under Hodgson, he has no plans to retire and the 'Board' decide that a tried and trusted manager should continue with his experience vital at a time of evolution. I somehow believe this would NOT be popular with supporters!
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 9.31am

Originally posted by PatrickA

I too am concerned about the 'Bigger Picture,' in particular if there is a possibility of Hodgson remaining at the helm next season

The scenario could unfold whereby we survive in the PL yet again under Hodgson, he has no plans to retire and the 'Board' decide that a tried and trusted manager should continue with his experience vital at a time of evolution.
I somehow believe this would NOT be popular with supporters!

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PatrickA London 16 Feb 21 9.35am
In this we are most certainly agreed!
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London 16 Feb 21 9.35am

In this we are most certainly agreed!

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Putitout Oxford 16 Feb 21 9.42am
Originally posted by slubglurge The players look directionless because we only have one tactic which is give the ball to Wilf which has been the case for a long time now. When he is not there they literally dont know what to do. We also have no on the field leader. Jedinak would have been kicking their backsides all round Selhurst. He never left anything back in the changing room whereas our players at the moment seem to have left their whole bodies there. These are not school boys,. They are experienced pro,s. If there is a question of . “ I don’t know what to do next”. It can only reflect on their ability, and professionalism. As does their failure to cut out obvious personal mistakes. Regardless , they don’t lose every game do they? Their motivation, and application is not always so poor it can’t get a result. So there is no question motivation , and organisation is not the whole problem, which only leaves a big question Mark over ability.
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Putitout

Oxford 16 Feb 21 9.42am

Originally posted by slubglurge

These are not school boys,. They are experienced pro,s. If there is a question of . “ I don’t know what to do next”. It can only reflect on their ability, and professionalism. As does their failure to cut out obvious personal mistakes.
Regardless , they don’t lose every game do they? Their motivation, and application is not always so poor it can’t get a result.
So there is no question motivation , and organisation is not the whole problem, which only leaves a big question Mark over ability.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Feb 21 10.01am
Originally posted by Putitout These are not school boys,. They are experienced pro,s. If there is a question of . “ I don’t know what to do next”. It can only reflect on their ability, and professionalism. As does their failure to cut out obvious personal mistakes. Regardless , they don’t lose every game do they? Their motivation, and application is not always so poor it can’t get a result. So there is no question motivation , and organisation is not the whole problem, which only leaves a big question Mark over ability. I would add to that they are as a group struggling with the intensity of playing so many games in this condensed season. The injury list is the one table we are clear leaders in. As players age they become more susceptible to injury and we are seeing that now. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Feb 21 10.01am

Originally posted by Putitout

I would add to that they are as a group struggling with the intensity of playing so many games in this condensed season.

The injury list is the one table we are clear leaders in. As players age they become more susceptible to injury and we are seeing that now.

Old, Ungifted and White

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 10.04am
Originally posted by NEILLO I would add to that they are as a group struggling with the intensity of playing so many games in this condensed season. The injury list is the one table we are clear leaders in. As players age they become more susceptible to injury and we are seeing that now. I concur with these sentiments. I have opined a few times on HOL, earlier in the season, that our ageing squad could well be found wanting as the season unfolds for the reasons you have highlighted.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 10.04am

Originally posted by NEILLO

I would add to that they are as a group struggling with the intensity of playing so many games in this condensed season.

The injury list is the one table we are clear leaders in. As players age they become more susceptible to injury and we are seeing that now.

I concur with these sentiments.

I have opined a few times on HOL, earlier in the season, that our ageing squad could well be found wanting as the season unfolds for the reasons you have highlighted.

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