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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 20 11.24am
Originally posted by Spiderman I am not going to argue but Hoddle thought it was no more than a yellow as he quite rightly said, Luka was sent off for the follow through and there was nothing he could do to get his foot out of the way. Tough, sliding tackles are being eradicated from the game albeit with the assistance of inconsistency from referees Whenever I entered the debate apropos referees or refereeing decisions, this was the catalyst for a dastardly WILLO thread so in the interests of HOL I will stay well clear of this subject!
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South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 20 11.24am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am not going to argue but Hoddle thought it was no more than a yellow as he quite rightly said, Luka was sent off for the follow through and there was nothing he could do to get his foot out of the way. Tough, sliding tackles are being eradicated from the game albeit with the assistance of inconsistency from referees

Whenever I entered the debate apropos referees or refereeing decisions, this was the catalyst for a dastardly WILLO thread so in the interests of HOL I will stay well clear of this subject!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.29am
Our full backs were both rusty. Wolves exploited that excellently. I'm not sure we had any other options. We could have started with Mitchell and Kelly but it wouldn't have helped. In the long term, probably best to give PVA and Clyne match time to bring them up to speed. They may be much better in a couple of weeks. An issue would be our failing to spot their marauding full backs, I guess that would have meant holding back and closing them down. PVA seems unable to do that and both Clyne and PVA were not fit or fast enough to do it. Mitchell is the long term solution in my opinion. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.29am

Our full backs were both rusty. Wolves exploited that excellently. I'm not sure we had any other options. We could have started with Mitchell and Kelly but it wouldn't have helped.
In the long term, probably best to give PVA and Clyne match time to bring them up to speed. They may be much better in a couple of weeks.
An issue would be our failing to spot their marauding full backs, I guess that would have meant holding back and closing them down. PVA seems unable to do that and both Clyne and PVA were not fit or fast enough to do it. Mitchell is the long term solution in my opinion.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 20 11.39am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Our full backs were both rusty. Wolves exploited that excellently. I'm not sure we had any other options. We could have started with Mitchell and Kelly but it wouldn't have helped. In the long term, probably best to give PVA and Clyne match time to bring them up to speed. They may be much better in a couple of weeks. An issue would be our failing to spot their marauding full backs, I guess that would have meant holding back and closing them down. PVA seems unable to do that and both Clyne and PVA were not fit or fast enough to do it. Mitchell is the long term solution in my opinion. I suppose an alternative shape could have been a three man back line with the 'Rusty' full-backs deployed as wing-backs to stop the marauding runs down the flanks but as we know Hodgson does not stray from his defensive shape. In terms of our attacking threat, in pre-season Hodgson was calling for new players to increase the goal tally.We signed Eze but he has been a bit-part player and Batshuayi probably wouldn't have started the last few games had Ayew been available. I suspect that Hodgson would have much preferred to have signed Giroud rather than Batshuayi.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 20 11.39am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Our full backs were both rusty. Wolves exploited that excellently. I'm not sure we had any other options. We could have started with Mitchell and Kelly but it wouldn't have helped.
In the long term, probably best to give PVA and Clyne match time to bring them up to speed. They may be much better in a couple of weeks.
An issue would be our failing to spot their marauding full backs, I guess that would have meant holding back and closing them down. PVA seems unable to do that and both Clyne and PVA were not fit or fast enough to do it. Mitchell is the long term solution in my opinion.

I suppose an alternative shape could have been a three man back line with the 'Rusty' full-backs deployed as wing-backs to stop the marauding runs down the flanks but as we know Hodgson does not stray from his defensive shape.

In terms of our attacking threat, in pre-season Hodgson was calling for new players to increase the goal tally.We signed Eze but he has been a bit-part player and Batshuayi probably wouldn't have started the last few games had Ayew been available.
I suspect that Hodgson would have much preferred to have signed Giroud rather than Batshuayi.

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palace chick South Croydon 31 Oct 20 11.42am
Had a texting chat with a mate today who thought Hodgson took the easy way out last night and played the same 11 that beat a poor Fulham side rather than picking his strongest available 11? Thoughts were that Tomkins and Cahill are our best two central defenders with Sakho a close 3rd and that Luka, McCarthur and Kouyate being the best 3 in midfield. We both felt Reidewald is being overrated and doesn’t make the strongest 11 when all are fit to play? I agree with him that Hodgson was lazy last night in picking that starting 11 when we have better players to bring in now? Tomkins could even had played right back with Sakho alongside Cahill rather than playing Clyne who looked off the pace. Just opinions and I guess many have different 11’s than me :-)
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South Croydon 31 Oct 20 11.42am

Had a texting chat with a mate today who thought Hodgson took the easy way out last night and played the same 11 that beat a poor Fulham side rather than picking his strongest available 11? Thoughts were that Tomkins and Cahill are our best two central defenders with Sakho a close 3rd and that Luka, McCarthur and Kouyate being the best 3 in midfield. We both felt Reidewald is being overrated and doesn’t make the strongest 11 when all are fit to play? I agree with him that Hodgson was lazy last night in picking that starting 11 when we have better players to bring in now? Tomkins could even had played right back with Sakho alongside Cahill rather than playing Clyne who looked off the pace. Just opinions and I guess many have different 11’s than me :-)

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 31 Oct 20 11.44am
Originally posted by Willo I did not hear what they said, however "Intent" does not enter the equation. Perhaps they are fully 'Au Fait with this but were advocating that "Intent" SHOULD be added to the Law. Well “ intent” means plan or aim, doesn’t mean you carried it out. You can’t get a life sentence for someone you thought about killing, can you?
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Originally posted by Willo

I did not hear what they said, however "Intent" does not enter the equation.
Perhaps they are fully 'Au Fait with this but were advocating that "Intent" SHOULD be added to the Law.

Well “ intent” means plan or aim, doesn’t mean you carried it out. You can’t get a life sentence for someone you thought about killing, can you?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.45am
Originally posted by Willo I suppose an alternative shape could have been a three man back line with the 'Rusty' full-backs deployed as wing-backs to stop the marauding runs down the flanks but as we know Hodgson does not stray from his defensive shape. In terms of our attacking threat, in pre-season Hodgson was calling for new players to increase the goal tally.We signed Eze but he has been a bit-part player and Batshuayi probably wouldn't have started the last few games had Ayew been available. I suspect that Hodgson would have much preferred to have signed Giroud rather than Batshuayi. I was thinking about a back three but came to the conclusion it would probably be worse. Kelly or Sakho would have been exposed more badly than Kouyate and Dann were already. Wolves had the jump on us, they were frankly much more up for it. We looked like a team of wet blankets. They looked like a match-sharpened, well-oiled machine. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.45am

Originally posted by Willo

I was thinking about a back three but came to the conclusion it would probably be worse. Kelly or Sakho would have been exposed more badly than Kouyate and Dann were already. Wolves had the jump on us, they were frankly much more up for it. We looked like a team of wet blankets. They looked like a match-sharpened, well-oiled machine.

Red and Blue Army!

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.46am
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews Well “ intent” means plan or aim, doesn’t mean you carried it out. You can’t get a life sentence for someone you thought about killing, can you? You could in Henry VIII's time. Not that it's relevant. Just showing off. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 20 11.46am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Well “ intent” means plan or aim, doesn’t mean you carried it out. You can’t get a life sentence for someone you thought about killing, can you?

You could in Henry VIII's time. Not that it's relevant. Just showing off.

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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE bloomfield 31 Oct 20 12.02pm
Originally posted by G O Eagle It really surprises me to see som many people excuse our humiliating defeat by how good Wolves are. If so, why is it they only - and with difficulty - scored one goal against Newcastle, Leeds and Fulham? The obvious reason is the Roys pathetic tactics gave them a motorway down each flank - what any team attacking with flair enjoys and exploits. Roy is ready for retirement. Agreed. Piss poor outdated tactics. So many excuses have been afforded Roy - Not supported by board, poor squad, etc. How do other clubs like ours do it? Southampton, Leeds.. No! This dog just didnt hunt!
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Originally posted by G O Eagle

It really surprises me to see som many people excuse our humiliating defeat by how good Wolves are.

If so, why is it they only - and with difficulty - scored one goal against Newcastle, Leeds and Fulham?

The obvious reason is the Roys pathetic tactics gave them a motorway down each flank - what any team attacking with flair enjoys and exploits.

Roy is ready for retirement.

Agreed. Piss poor outdated tactics. So many excuses have been afforded Roy - Not supported by board, poor squad, etc. How do other clubs like ours do it? Southampton, Leeds.. No! This dog just didnt hunt!

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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE bloomfield 31 Oct 20 12.06pm
Agreed. We dont try to play to score until when we are behind! Originally posted by PatrickA It wasn’t a terrible performance but our tactics didn’t work in the early part of the game when they kept on getting down the sides and scored two goals. Roy is often more concerned with keeping compact in the central areas and is content for the opposition to have players in wide areas where they present less immediate danger. Last night this didn’t work early on. Moving forward I would like Eze to have more starts as he’s clever on the ball and will offer something different in the attacking areas which would create more goal scoring opportunities. Luka being suspended could be a blessing as he has not justified a starting place for some time. Mcarthur or Mcarthy would be better in that role until Luka finds some form. The tactics employed do not suit Batshuayi’s strengths. He likes to play on the shoulder of defenders and thrives on quick sharp spaces in the penalty area for him to finish. We rarely provide this type of service, but Eze, Jaïro and Wilf would be capable if freed to do so. We have players coming back and can improve.
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bloomfield 31 Oct 20 12.06pm

Agreed. We dont try to play to score until when we are behind!

Originally posted by PatrickA

It wasn’t a terrible performance but our tactics didn’t work in the early part of the game when they kept on getting down the sides and scored two goals.
Roy is often more concerned with keeping compact in the central areas and is content for the opposition to have players in wide areas where they present less immediate danger.
Last night this didn’t work early on.
Moving forward I would like Eze to have more starts as he’s clever on the ball and will offer something different in the attacking areas which would create more goal scoring opportunities.
Luka being suspended could be a blessing as he has not justified a starting place for some time.
Mcarthur or Mcarthy would be better in that role until Luka finds some form.
The tactics employed do not suit Batshuayi’s strengths.
He likes to play on the shoulder of defenders and thrives on quick sharp spaces in the penalty area for him to finish.
We rarely provide this type of service, but Eze, Jaïro and Wilf would be capable if freed to do so.
We have players coming back and can improve.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 31 Oct 20 12.27pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I was thinking about a back three but came to the conclusion it would probably be worse. Kelly or Sakho would have been exposed more badly than Kouyate and Dann were already. Wolves had the jump on us, they were frankly much more up for it. We looked like a team of wet blankets. They looked like a match-sharpened, well-oiled machine. All very correct, to come out of this only was our neat interchangeable one twos and crisp passing which was an improvement to say the least moving forward so it wasn't a complete disaster, we were somewhat fortunate the score wasn't worse because we do not close teams down quickly enough, we are way too open and easy.
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Cornwall 31 Oct 20 12.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

All very correct, to come out of this only was our neat interchangeable one twos and crisp passing which was an improvement to say the least moving forward so it wasn't a complete disaster, we were somewhat fortunate the score wasn't worse because we do not close teams down quickly enough, we are way too open and easy.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 31 Oct 20 12.30pm
Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Agreed. We dont try to play to score until when we are behind! We were ten inches from scoring first and what a goal it would've been ...pure class it was, so take that lol
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Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Agreed. We dont try to play to score until when we are behind!

We were ten inches from scoring first and what a goal it would've been ...pure class it was, so take that lol

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