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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Jan 17 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That's not really mass migration is it. That is 1,050,000 people in 70 years. That many have come here in the last 4 years. What is your point? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jan 2017 12.04pm) It certainly was mass migration. Each instance apart from the Chinese was rapid. I ask again; why do you think those mass migrations were major errors as surely you must? To quote you "I consider mass migration a big mistake" Forgot about the Irish too around the Great Famine. Another one. Mistake again? Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jan 2017 2.37pm)
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OhthisbloodyPC 07 Jan 17 2.38pm | |
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You mean Brian May from Queen? If so, I'm with you. Never really liked that bloke.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jan 17 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It certainly was mass migration. Each instance apart from the Chinese was rapid. I ask again; why do you think those mass migrations were major errors as surely you must? To quote you "I consider mass migration a big mistake" Forgot about the Irish too around the Great Famine. Another one. Mistake again? Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jan 2017 2.37pm) A bout of "I can't understand simple concepts" appears to have broken out on here today. It must be the time of year. I would assert that no migration in modern times can be compared to the last decade and to the potential migrations in future. We must relate all other migration to this period. Due to rapid global population increase, there appears to be no end to the numbers that can potentially arrive in foreseeable future.
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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Jan 17 3.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
A bout of "I can't understand simple concepts" appears to have broken out on here today. It must be the time of year. I would assert that no migration in modern times can be compared to the last decade and to the potential migrations in future. We must relate all other migration to this period. Due to rapid global population increase, there appears to be no end to the numbers that can potentially arrive in foreseeable future. Why won't you answer what is really an easy question pertaining to past mass migrations? For the third and last time and I'll even make it very simple for you to respond - Do you think those mass migrations were "big mistakes" ? As you did say "I consider mass migration a big mistake"
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jan 17 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Interesting.So you only think that "mass" migration in the last 10 years (predominantly people from Europe) has been a "big mistake" and don't think that about the non European migration to the UK from W Indies and Africa and S Asia (including the vast majority of our muslim population) between 1945-75.That#s certainly the logic of your proposition. If you're not making it up as you go along to try and justify your prejudices,perhaps you'll therefore now stop banging on about the horrors of muslim and other non European immigration so much? Firstly. People coming from Eastern Europe might have been the largest group migrating but a very significant amount of migrants come from outside Europe.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jan 17 3.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Why won't you answer what is really an easy question pertaining to past mass migrations? For the third and last time and I'll even make it very simple for you to respond - Do you think those mass migrations were "big mistakes" ? As you did say "I consider mass migration a big mistake"
Jesus! Please try and read carefully. I'm saying that in relative terms, your examples are not mass migrations. Not relative to the last decade or two and not relative to the population as a whole. Also, those migrations were finite where as the current trend is potentially endless due to the rapid world population increase. Please try to face reality rather than attempting to make some facile point. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jan 2017 3.27pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Jan 17 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Jesus! Please try and read carefully. I'm saying that in relative terms, your examples are not mass migrations. Not relative to the last decade or two and not relative to the population as a whole. Also, those migrations were finite where as the current trend is potentially endless due to the rapid world population increase. Please try to face reality rather than attempting to make some facile point. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Jan 2017 3.27pm) But at their time they were considered to be mass migrations. Tens or hundreds of thousands in a very short time moving from one country to another and to quite specific, small areas within that host country is exactly that. You are gainsaying that fact because it is in the past and you can't relate it to the now. I get it. But look further and think about it : What took place down the line? They adapted. We adapted. Eventually some, sooner others. Still want to stick with your "mass migration is a big mistake" stance? Back it up then if 'yes' as England/UK history says otherwise. You may be right about the current mass migration. Time will tell. You may also be wrong.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jan 17 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
But at their time they were considered to be mass migrations. Tens or hundreds of thousands in a very short time moving from one country to another and to quite specific, small areas within that host country is exactly that. You are gainsaying that fact because it is in the past and you can't relate it to the now. I get it. But look further and think about it : What took place down the line? They adapted. We adapted. Eventually some, sooner others. Still want to stick with your "mass migration is a big mistake" stance? Back it up then if 'yes' as England/UK history says otherwise. You may be right about the current mass migration. Time will tell. You may also be wrong. I don't want to "adapt". Why would I? I promise you there will a big problem adapting to 600,000 migrants per year(300,000 net) and increasing for the foreseeable future.
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legaleagle 07 Jan 17 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Firstly. People coming from Eastern Europe might have been the largest group migrating but a very significant amount of migrants come from outside Europe. Let's face it.Whatever way you dress it up "intellectually" (and you certainly have a large wardrobe),its simply that you don't much care for people of a different ethnicity to yourself...
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jan 17 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Let's face it.Whatever way you dress it up "intellectually" (and you certainly have a large wardrobe),its simply that you don't much care for people of a different ethnicity to yourself... Why should he care?
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jan 17 6.54pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Let's face it.Whatever way you dress it up "intellectually" (and you certainly have a large wardrobe),its simply that you don't much care for people of a different ethnicity to yourself... Interesting how you phrase that. I have a relative level of care for most human beings. I care most for my family, then my friends and then a huge drop in relative care to almost everyone else, including immigrants. Some peoples habits I don't care much for and then there are a few select individuals that I wouldn't piss on if they were alight. I would ask why you care so much about immigrants? You don't know 99% of them. Surely you prioritise your loved ones and want to protect them from harm don't you?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jan 17 7.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Interesting how you phrase that. I have a relative level of care for most human beings. I care most for my family, then my friends and then a huge drop in relative care to almost everyone else, including immigrants. Some peoples habits I don't care much for and then there are a few select individuals that I wouldn't piss on if they were alight. I would ask why you care so much about immigrants? You don't know 99% of them. Surely you prioritise your loved ones and want to protect them from harm don't you? That's why I hope none of them ever meet you.
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