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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 12.49pm

Originally posted by 7mins

You earlier called me a fraud and said i was lying... so don't rush to the moral high ground just yet my friend.

The difference between you and me, is quite simply knowledge.. I know the reasons for the strike, they are totally justified and the fault lies with Southern... that is based on my knowledge.
You who has no knowledge, says the fault is with the unions.

You are right, I worked for a company that continually shafted it's employees, that is a stick you can undoubtedly beat me with, but I left that job, because it was immoral (i put it on here at the time) I took a massive pay cut 70%, because as we grow, we gain knowledge and humanity (although this seems to have skipped you) and I made the decision to do what is morally right, not financially right. I don't regret my decision, just wish I was smart enough to make it earlier... it wouldn't have made any difference to the employees shafted (they would just get someone else) but it would mean I wouldn't feel as s***ty as I do about being part of the process.

The reason you derail, and mention my work history (which I could have easily have hidden) is because your argument is weak, it's a argument suppressor... You know you're a old silly man, stuck in his ways. You can't see shades of grey/nuances.. someone with superior knowledge than you, scares you... admitting you're wrong is a sign of character.

You said guards are not needed, when you didn't know what they do... that is when I realised I was chatting with someone who is thick.


P.S. Working in financial services isn't the 4th emergency service.


I referred the matter to the Moderators.... you clearly have no idea as to how to debate without reverting to abuse.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 16 12.54pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I referred the matter to the Moderators.... you clearly have no idea as to how to debate without reverting to abuse.

Bottler

Someone sent me a lovely Private Message about you

(Maybe they can look at your posts when you called me a fraud)

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 12.58pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Bottler

Someone sent me a lovely Private Message about you

(Maybe they can look at your posts when you called me a fraud)

I've referred this one as well.

You are acting like a bully now.

 

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rednblue4eva Flag Norwood 11 Dec 16 1.13pm Send a Private Message to rednblue4eva Add rednblue4eva as a friend

Appogies if it's already been covered - but what's the difference on south eastern (Kent services) as they haven't had guards for years?

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 16 1.19pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I've referred this one as well.

You are acting like a bully now.

After you accused me of lying, if I (or someone acting on my behalf) officially asked Hol for your details as I may want to make things official, would they be duty bound to give me them?

I asked you to withdraw or substantiate your accusation... you didn't.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 16 1.22pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I've referred this one as well.

You are acting like a bully now.

I reported your religious and racial slurs... times have moved on hoof... put downs like "Japs eye" and mentioning the pope's genitalia are no longer acceptable... and of course slander/libel... always forget which is which.. one is written, one is spoken... either way, my sis will know

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 1.43pm

7 minutes....

All I have asked is for you to cease abusing me from now on.

As you haven't stopped when politely asked many times I referred the matter to the moderators as I have no desire to continue debating with you.

Things got out of hand on both our parts and unwarranted things have been said.

I have no desire to inflict damage to you I only want you to cease the hostilities.

AT the end of the day this is a discussion forum designed to bring Palace fans together and we have both lost sight of that it seems?

I'm happy to retract any thing said out of turn if you are and agree to disagree?

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 11 Dec 16 1.49pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

7 minutes....

All I have asked is for you to cease abusing me from now on.

As you haven't stopped when politely asked many times I referred the matter to the moderators as I have no desire to continue debating with you.

Things got out of hand on both our parts and unwarranted things have been said.

I have no desire to inflict damage to you I only want you to cease the hostilities.

AT the end of the day this is a discussion forum designed to bring Palace fans together and we have both lost sight of that it seems?

I'm happy to retract any thing said out of turn if you are and agree to disagree?

I love a happy ending

x

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Dec 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by 7mins

I love a happy ending

x

I've called off the moderators and sent you a PM.

I blame Pardew for this.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Dec 16 2.12pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I referred the matter to the Moderators.... you clearly have no idea as to how to debate without reverting to abuse.

I thought you said that wasn't your style. Hypocrite

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 11 Dec 16 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins


Cheers buddy.

I don't want people thinking I'm some moral white knight.
The things I did working for Southern feel me with shame, they're reasons why I carried on working for such a vile company, but none of them excuse the s***ty things we did. The buffet trolley guys we royally f***ed over. The cleaners/gateline/platform staff... cutting numbers and expecting favours in return.
At one lunch time meeting, I remember a manager telling me he was gonna go after a union rep, because this union rep outed this manager as being a prick over health severance for a driver diagnosed with a terminal illness. We didn't believe the driver was as ill as he said, and although he probably couldn't drive trains... maybe he could have helped in the office until he could no longer work. I shiver now... we should have paid up sent him on his way and said enjoy your time with your family.

The franchise system means everything is short term. Why invest in staff, you could be out in 5 years. Morale means nothing, who cares if a driver is pissed off or happy... as long as he drives the train. If he goes sick, make him get a doctors note from day 1 of absence to get paid... knowing full well doctors don't give sick notes until you've been off for 7 days... result... drivers don't get sick pay for first 7 days.
We hated other TOCs giving pay rises... that meant we had to... or we'll lose them. The whole system is wrong, employees get shafted, passengers get a s*** service and a select few become financially secure for life.

Or if you're hoof/Matt "lazy f***ing unions"

Seems to me that there are two separate arguments and they are being muddled up.

1) Southern, completely shambolic and unsurprisingly unethical.

2) Whether guards are needed irrespective of who runs the franchise.

Having expertise of one, I.e. Southern, does not automatically mean that you're right with the second. The fact that so many franchises are capable of running guardless trains is evidence of that

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 11 Dec 16 4.50pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Wonderfully entertaining chaps. Thanks.

 


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