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Stuk Top half 21 Jul 16 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Still, given what has been going on around these police shootings in recent times - where independent video has been the victims' only voice, too many times showing a stark contrast between what happened and what the police said happened - filming the event was clearly the appropriate reaction to her. In that context, live-streaming it also makes sense given that police have often acted to confiscate and suppress such independent video footage. And suppressing conversations about the incident unless they conform to your view of it devalues your opinion. Adding a crappy label like "victim blaming" even more so. It's weird, in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but the video clears up absolutely nothing in regard to what happened, what the police said happened, or what she said happened.
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Ray in Houston Houston 21 Jul 16 6.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
And suppressing conversations about the incident unless they conform to your view of it devalues your opinion. Adding a crappy label like "victim blaming" even more so. It's weird, in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but the video clears up absolutely nothing in regard to what happened, what the police said happened, or what she said happened.
Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming. There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back.
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7mins In the bush 21 Jul 16 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming. There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back. If you are saying I was criticising the girlfriend, you're wrong. Discuss the issue, stop making s*** up. It was a obversation nothing more nothing less.
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Stuk Top half 22 Jul 16 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming. There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back. You were the one who used the phrase "negates anything you say" to someone else. I'm not suppressing your opinion, i'm saying that you're using a w***y phrase to shut down conversations regarding the actions of the girlfriend of the victim. And I'll repeat that the video still doesn't explain what happened, at all.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Jul 16 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
So anyone who poses with guns on facebook is fair game for police to kill? Great policy. Secondly, he told the officer he was legally armed, was asked to produce his license and papers (hence reaching into his pocket), and shot in the process - don't let the facts get in the way though. Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ? I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself. My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Jul 16 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
To be fair, the cops were responding to a report of a man with a gun, so it's not unreasonable that they have their guard (and guns) up. What happened thereafter is ridiculous, in need of a proper investigation and - if justified - sanctions against the cop. Sanctions ? he should be tried for murder not chastised like a naughty school boy whose broke a window with his catapult. I think therein lies the problem America is so used to gun crime they've become almost sanitised to it.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Jul 16 1.02pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ? I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself. My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.
But in a country where it's legal to carry a gun, that's a ridiculous reality, and one which is easily avoided with a well-trained, prejudice-free police force.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jul 16 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
But in a country where it's legal to carry a gun, that's a ridiculous reality, and one which is easily avoided with a well-trained, prejudice-free police force.
How about a prejudice free society that don't target and kill policeman for no other reason than they are coppers ? Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 1.05pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
That's victim blaming, and it's never appropriate. Quite correct, its drawing the focus away from the involvement of the primary party, to speculate on the motives of witnesses to insinuate through syntax that that they are immoral, responsible or involved - and thus undermine their contribution to the situation, without addressing the evidence they provide. And yes, she is a 'victim' in that her husband was shot to death in front of her. She is a primary witness and its a common form of shaming to undermine a witness 'for what they did or did not do' rather than their evidence. I think we're all pretty sure that even if the shooting was justified, her husband was not drawing a gun or intending to shoot the police officer and at best the situation is a tragic accident.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
How about a prejudice free society that don't target and kill policeman for no other reason than they are coppers ? Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 1.05pm) I think it depends, if you have a concealed carry permit, its a bit different. Of course driving a car with your feet is reckless endangerment. People carrying guns illegally, of course play into a situation where its certainly understandable why they might be shot. Of course its not always enforced the same way - Here are some very unconcealed firearms. The US, definitely has a problem with guns. The moment you have people taking assault rifles to dinner with them, you know you need serious gun control. I'd certainly imagine that a white guy with an assault rifle slung over his back is much more of a noticeable threat, than say a black man with a pistol in his pocket....
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jul 16 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Should we read anything into the fact that the cop shot the black guy - who was lying on the ground with his hands raised - not the white guy who was sitting up holding an unknown object? Nah! The police were just doing their job. They turned up to a scene where someone was threatening to shoot themselves and were not going to leave until someone had been shot.
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Ray in Houston Houston 25 Jul 16 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ? I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself. My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.
1) This is 'Merica! Having a gun, and posing with it for photographs, are constitutionally protected rights. 2) In many states (I believe a majority of the 50), walking down the street strapped with handguns and/or long guns - including the controversial AR-15 - is not only legal, it requires no license. 3) If you think that not carrying a gun will mean you will not get shot means that you're not paying attention. The original outcry was over unarmed black men getting shot but it's recently morphed to including legally-armed black men. So the common denominator is not "armed" or "unarmed", it's "black man".
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