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Stuk Flag Top half 21 Jul 16 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


She was not the one killed, but that doesn't mean she's not a victim here, having been witness to the horrific death of a loved one. Claiming, distanced from the event in both time and space, that she should have been doing something other than filming acts to devalue the messenger, and thus the message.

Still, given what has been going on around these police shootings in recent times - where independent video has been the victims' only voice, too many times showing a stark contrast between what happened and what the police said happened - filming the event was clearly the appropriate reaction to her. In that context, live-streaming it also makes sense given that police have often acted to confiscate and suppress such independent video footage.

And suppressing conversations about the incident unless they conform to your view of it devalues your opinion. Adding a crappy label like "victim blaming" even more so.

It's weird, in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but the video clears up absolutely nothing in regard to what happened, what the police said happened, or what she said happened.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

And suppressing conversations about the incident unless they conform to your view of it devalues your opinion. Adding a crappy label like "victim blaming" even more so.

It's weird, in my opinion. You don't have to agree, but the video clears up absolutely nothing in regard to what happened, what the police said happened, or what she said happened.


How is engaging in a conversation about the issue "suppressing" the conversation? It's the very opposite of that, in fact.

Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming.

There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back.

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 21 Jul 16 10.59pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


How is engaging in a conversation about the issue "suppressing" the conversation? It's the very opposite of that, in fact.

Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming.

There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back.

If you are saying I was criticising the girlfriend, you're wrong. Discuss the issue, stop making s*** up. It was a obversation nothing more nothing less.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 22 Jul 16 11.37am Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


How is engaging in a conversation about the issue "suppressing" the conversation? It's the very opposite of that, in fact.

Meanwhile, you are - to use your own term in the exact reverse situation - "suppressing" my opinion that criticising the behaviour of the girlfriend is victim blaming.

There's a word for it when someone does one thing and complains when others do it back.

You were the one who used the phrase "negates anything you say" to someone else.

I'm not suppressing your opinion, i'm saying that you're using a w***y phrase to shut down conversations regarding the actions of the girlfriend of the victim.

And I'll repeat that the video still doesn't explain what happened, at all.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Jul 16 12.41pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So anyone who poses with guns on facebook is fair game for police to kill? Great policy.

Secondly, he told the officer he was legally armed, was asked to produce his license and papers (hence reaching into his pocket), and shot in the process - don't let the facts get in the way though.

Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ?

I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself.

My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Jul 16 12.58pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

To be fair, the cops were responding to a report of a man with a gun, so it's not unreasonable that they have their guard (and guns) up.

What happened thereafter is ridiculous, in need of a proper investigation and - if justified - sanctions against the cop.

Sanctions ? he should be tried for murder not chastised like a naughty school boy whose broke a window with his catapult.

I think therein lies the problem America is so used to gun crime they've become almost sanitised to it.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 22 Jul 16 1.02pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ?

I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself.

My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.

But in a country where it's legal to carry a gun, that's a ridiculous reality, and one which is easily avoided with a well-trained, prejudice-free police force.


 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jul 16 1.03pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

But in a country where it's legal to carry a gun, that's a ridiculous reality, and one which is easily avoided with a well-trained, prejudice-free police force.



Just because you can have a gun does not mean you should. As the great Chris rock once said " you can drive a car with your feet if you want to, It's bad bad f***ing idea but you can."

How about a prejudice free society that don't target and kill policeman for no other reason than they are coppers ?

Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 1.05pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Jul 16 1.09pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


No? She (and her child) had just watched her boyfriend get shot by police during a routine traffic stop. 7mins then proceeded to diminish her suffering by calling into question her behaviour in the immediate aftermath.

That's victim blaming, and it's never appropriate.

Quite correct, its drawing the focus away from the involvement of the primary party, to speculate on the motives of witnesses to insinuate through syntax that that they are immoral, responsible or involved - and thus undermine their contribution to the situation, without addressing the evidence they provide.

And yes, she is a 'victim' in that her husband was shot to death in front of her. She is a primary witness and its a common form of shaming to undermine a witness 'for what they did or did not do' rather than their evidence.

I think we're all pretty sure that even if the shooting was justified, her husband was not drawing a gun or intending to shoot the police officer and at best the situation is a tragic accident.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Jul 16 1.16pm

Originally posted by dannyh


Just because you can have a gun does not mean you should. As the great Chris rock once said " you can drive a car with your feet if you want to, It's bad bad f***ing idea but you can."

How about a prejudice free society that don't target and kill policeman for no other reason than they are coppers ?

Edited by dannyh (25 Jul 2016 1.05pm)

I think it depends, if you have a concealed carry permit, its a bit different. Of course driving a car with your feet is reckless endangerment. People carrying guns illegally, of course play into a situation where its certainly understandable why they might be shot.

Of course its not always enforced the same way - Here are some very unconcealed firearms.

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The US, definitely has a problem with guns. The moment you have people taking assault rifles to dinner with them, you know you need serious gun control.

I'd certainly imagine that a white guy with an assault rifle slung over his back is much more of a noticeable threat, than say a black man with a pistol in his pocket....

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Jul 16 1.22pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Should we read anything into the fact that the cop shot the black guy - who was lying on the ground with his hands raised - not the white guy who was sitting up holding an unknown object? Nah!

The police were just doing their job. They turned up to a scene where someone was threatening to shoot themselves and were not going to leave until someone had been shot.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 25 Jul 16 6.49pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Why would you be carrying a gun on day to day business, why would you photograph your self giving it large with a pistol ?

I'm not saying the Police officers actions were correct far from it, I have a wee bit of firearms training myself.

My point which seems to be as per usual misconstrued to suit others own agenda, is that if he didn't have a gun on him then he doesn't get shot. It really is that simple.


Your post above shows your fundamental misunderstanding of everything going on here.

1) This is 'Merica! Having a gun, and posing with it for photographs, are constitutionally protected rights.

2) In many states (I believe a majority of the 50), walking down the street strapped with handguns and/or long guns - including the controversial AR-15 - is not only legal, it requires no license.

3) If you think that not carrying a gun will mean you will not get shot means that you're not paying attention. The original outcry was over unarmed black men getting shot but it's recently morphed to including legally-armed black men. So the common denominator is not "armed" or "unarmed", it's "black man".

 


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