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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 7.11pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Wisbech you said Obama spoke the truth? That makes no sense to me! Obama said that there were other deals to be negotiated before us, because we already had one and if we voluntarily gave it up we couldn't expect preferential treatment. He was supportive of the EU. Trump wants to break up the EU so holds out a promise that is undeliverable, unless we massively compromise, which we won't. Any separate deal with the USA would take a lot of time to negotiate unless it closely replicated exactly what already exists between the EU and the USA. That's the reality. Obama spoke the truth. Trump is just being the con man he always is.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 7.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
One of the very best things about Trump is how much he pisses off people like you
I am glad you get some pleasure from him. It has to be the only good thing about him. No, wait, there is one more! Anything after him can only be better. It would be like Palace dropping into non league football for the first time in my life. Anything after that could only be an improvement. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (02 Jun 2019 8.47pm)
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dannyboy1978 02 Jun 19 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Can you really not see why? Really? Trump doesn't do "good deals" for America! He does deals that he thinks are good for America. Big difference. Like raising tariffs on imported goods that he thinks will hurt the exporting country but will actually be paid by the US consumers, cause reciprocal responses and trade wars which disrupt world trade, resulting in economic uncertainty everywhere. Trump is a disaster. He has the economic nous of a 5 year old. [Link] Believing that the USA will rush to negotiate a trade deal with us after Brexit that actually benefits us is naivety taken to extremes. Oh I am biased. I am biased against anyone who tells lies, attacks anyone who criticises and uses bullying as a negotiating tactic. I'm not arguing if we get a good or bad deal, that's your deflection from my question that Obama lied. Nice try though. Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Jun 2019 7.20pm)
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Jun 19 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's a bad thing if it's bs served up for the consumption of the gullible in a restaurant operated by Rupert Murdoch. Doesn't anyone else smell the aroma of blatant interference that I do? Murdoch is a manipulator and always has been. I don't understand the problem. Owner of media outlet gives mouthpiece to political friend. IF true (because you don't know), are you saying Murdoch is the ONLY media mogul that does this?
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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 8.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I don't understand the problem. Owner of media outlet gives mouthpiece to political friend. IF true (because you don't know), are you saying Murdoch is the ONLY media mogul that does this?
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Jun 19 8.24pm | |
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The Times is Remain. The Sun is Leave. That pesky Murdoch influencing things with his evil right wing agenda...
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 8.54pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I'm not arguing if we get a good or bad deal, that's your deflection from my question that Obama lied. Nice try though. Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Jun 2019 7.20pm) To repeat. Obama did not lie. He told the truth Trump lies all the time. It's his default position and he doesn't even know he is doing it. This though wasn't so much a deliberate lie as an ignorant statement because I suspect he really believed it. At least at the moment his mouth was moving.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I don't understand the problem. Owner of media outlet gives mouthpiece to political friend. IF true (because you don't know), are you saying Murdoch is the ONLY media mogul that does this? I didn't suggest that did I? Murdoch though is an especially pernicious purveyor of his personal view of the world. He holds far too much influence over the politicians in both the USA and here because of his ability to manipulate public opinion. Why he has not been constrained in some way beats me. Those who complain about the BBC being biased should reflect on the influence of Murdoch.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The Times is Remain. The Sun is Leave. That pesky Murdoch influencing things with his evil right wing agenda... I would question the validity of that statement. It was the Sunday Times which published the story. Circulation 712k. Times circulation 417k. The Sun has a daily readership of 9.86 million with another 29.3 million reading it online and 23.86 million check it on their phones. Murdoch is pretty subtle in appearing to promote balance whilst actually making sure which way the compass should point.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Opposing Murdoch ought, in my opinion, be the duty of everyone who wants a free and unfettered press available to all. It has nothing to do with any personal politics. If he supported Corbyn, the LibDems or anyone else I would feel exactly the same.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Jun 19 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would question the validity of that statement. It was the Sunday Times which published the story. Circulation 712k. Times circulation 417k. The Sun has a daily readership of 9.86 million with another 29.3 million reading it online and 23.86 million check it on their phones. Murdoch is pretty subtle in appearing to promote balance whilst actually making sure which way the compass should point. You're conflating circulation and readership, for starters. And Murdoch doesn't have a monopoly on US and UK media. People have a choice to what they consume. But people who don't follow your narrative are just stupid, right?
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dannyboy1978 02 Jun 19 9.18pm | |
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You Just can't admit your wrong. [Link]
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