Upon the contention of political interference this intervention is the same thing.

I of course had no real issues with Obama saying what he did, just as I have no issues with what Trump said.

I just commented on Wisbech's overt one eyed commentary......You know that of course which is why you jumped in over political tribalism....but that's cool....do it myself.

As for the usual anti US sentiment....sorry Maple, just as you are a EU-phile I'm a US-phile, while recognising issues as they come up and also supporting the EU skeptics/the right in the EU.

Americans are our cousins....well two thirds of them are.....and Trump actually cares about British sovereignty, while Obama wanted what you want.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 3.40pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I speak only for myself

Your naivety is breathtaking. Like everyone else, and certainly more than most, the US looks to its self-interests. You can ask a few countries south of the border. Trump nakedly admits that he is only interested in the welfare of the US. The UK is simply a resource as far as the US is concerned. That attitude also applies to the EU countries. The thing is that their objectives align a little more closely to ours.

Not really Maple, it's more naive that you think I'm naive.

Of course each country's first interest should be itself. This is about where a country's best interests lie. That you would even bring this obvious point into the discussion feels like a waste of commentary.

However, for you to ignore preference and the relations and historical ties is just to close your eyes to reality.

In my analysis I'd say that it's in the UK's best interests to be the chief supporting act to the US.....until it breaks up. I don't see a successful EU staying together either and give that far less time......federalists need to stop trying to force pieces into a jigsaw that's not going to work.

It's in the UK's interests to not be submerged into any organisation but remain as a bridge and outlier....with its own military and its own independent political will.

The US and Europe know where our loyalties lie......well, the majority of us....currently that is.

Cleverly constructed alignments....not no choice unions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 4.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

regarding his attitude to Trump, Sadiq Khan is a thundering disgrace.

i want to bedeck his trains with adverts of scantily clad women. Just to offend his religious fundamentalist 'modesty'

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Consider yourself privileged that you are permitted in the marbled halls.

I read your posts because I respect your opinion, you articulate your points well (whilst I seldom agree with them) and you're frequently entertaining and not a snotty git.