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 dannyboy1978  02 Jun 19 10.48am |
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Listening to LBC I do have to laugh at the remoaners moaning about trump. That they don't want trump or like him giving his views.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I agree foreign politicians should not interfere in UK politics. I assume that you complained when Obama did it. No, because he didn't! Obama understood diplomacy. All I think he ever did was express an opinion that the USA had a greater confidence in the EU with the UK as a member and that the EU itself was a force for good. That's far removed from the direct comments on individual candidates, the UK's negotiating tactics, who should do the negotiating and what the result should be. Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Jun 19 11.23am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, because he didn't! Obama understood diplomacy. All I think he ever did was express an opinion that the USA had a greater confidence in the EU with the UK as a member and that the EU itself was a force for good. That's far removed from the direct comments on individual candidates, the UK's negotiating tactics, who should do the negotiating and what the result should be. Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't. So Obamas opinion was that we would be at the back of the line. That opinion was to sway votes in the referendum. That's political meddling
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, because he didn't! Obama understood diplomacy. All I think he ever did was express an opinion that the USA had a greater confidence in the EU with the UK as a member and that the EU itself was a force for good. That's far removed from the direct comments on individual candidates, the UK's negotiating tactics, who should do the negotiating and what the result should be. Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't. I think he did a bit more than that, it was a put up job by Cameron which Obama agreed to. He was intentions were quite clear to most people.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So Obamas opinion was that we would be at the back of the line. That opinion was to sway votes in the referendum. That's political meddling No it wasn't. It was stating the truth. If there were already negotiations in process, which there were, then they take priority. The UK already had a trade deal, via the EU. If it chose to throw it away then it had to face the consequences. Trump is dangling unrealistic golden carrots which if they ever came to be harvested would pretty soon be shown to coloured brown and stink. Trump only thinks a deal is "fair" if it suits himself. A deal with the USA would only be done with him as POTUS if we agreed to accept tariff free farm goods in huge volumes and accept US agriculture standards, which we don't now. That would be resisted at many levels. Any fair deal for him would be one way traffic involving an expanded market for US goods and services. Trump would like to see the EU broken up because it threatens his view of the world. That's why he is interfering and not because of any special regard for the UK. He is working over the gullible here just as he does in the USA. Any true deal would take years to negotiate and not be done until long after the Trump disaster has been erased.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think he did a bit more than that, it was a put up job by Cameron which Obama agreed to. He was intentions were quite clear to most people. See my reply to "dannyboy1978". I don't doubt for a moment that the timing of the comments was engineered by Cameron, who you can criticise if you wish, but what Obama said was both accurate and phrased in diplomatic language. Trump is just blatantly interfering with all the diplomacy of a herd of elephants in a tea room. The man is a disaster, both for the USA and for everyone else.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jun 19 12.48pm |
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So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'. Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!' 'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'
I think you guys are coming to the same conclusion that I did with this chap.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Jun 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it wasn't. It was stating the truth. If there were already negotiations in process, which there were, then they take priority. The UK already had a trade deal, via the EU. If it chose to throw it away then it had to face the consequences. Trump is dangling unrealistic golden carrots which if they ever came to be harvested would pretty soon be shown to coloured brown and stink. Trump only thinks a deal is "fair" if it suits himself. A deal with the USA would only be done with him as POTUS if we agreed to accept tariff free farm goods in huge volumes and accept US agriculture standards, which we don't now. That would be resisted at many levels. Any fair deal for him would be one way traffic involving an expanded market for US goods and services. Trump would like to see the EU broken up because it threatens his view of the world. That's why he is interfering and not because of any special regard for the UK. He is working over the gullible here just as he does in the USA. Any true deal would take years to negotiate and not be done until long after the Trump disaster has been erased. Do you seriously think people take what you have just written seriously. In one breath trump is a disaster the second breath trump would only do a good deal for America. Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Jun 2019 1.04pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'. Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!' 'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'
I think you guys are coming to the same conclusion that I did with this chap. Yup. I am more than happy to condemn Trump for interfering in UK politics as did Obama. I don't get why some people love Obama. The special relationship was at it's weakest in my lifetime. He made a point when visiting Europe to go to Berlin and or Paris first. He made it perfectly clear who he thought America's key allies were and we were behind them. Fair enough that is his right why some British people love him I don't get. Trump for all his many faults is at least pro British in foreign policy.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Jun 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it wasn't. It was stating the truth. If there were already negotiations in process, which there were, then they take priority. The UK already had a trade deal, via the EU. If it chose to throw it away then it had to face the consequences. Trump is dangling unrealistic golden carrots which if they ever came to be harvested would pretty soon be shown to coloured brown and stink. Trump only thinks a deal is "fair" if it suits himself. A deal with the USA would only be done with him as POTUS if we agreed to accept tariff free farm goods in huge volumes and accept US agriculture standards, which we don't now. That would be resisted at many levels. Any fair deal for him would be one way traffic involving an expanded market for US goods and services. Trump would like to see the EU broken up because it threatens his view of the world. That's why he is interfering and not because of any special regard for the UK. He is working over the gullible here just as he does in the USA. Any true deal would take years to negotiate and not be done until long after the Trump disaster has been erased. You are actually a bigger idiot than I initially thought.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Jun 19 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'. Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!' 'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'
Thing is, Wisbech can't even see it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'. Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!' 'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'
I think you guys are coming to the same conclusion that I did with this chap. Hmm, on one hand a POTUS commented on a political point. On the other a POTUS appears to have tried to influence who will be the next Prime Minister. Of course these two things are the same. In any case, get used to it. POTUS will be selecting our PMs from now on, whether directly or indirectly. The USA has longed for this day ever since it was formed.
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