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Mwncisee Middlesbrough 06 Jul 21 3.37pm
I think people may have to temper their expectations, especially with regards to the number of signings. I feel people on here band around numbers they think we need that are a way off what the club will realistically be able to achieve and are then despondent when that number is not achieved. I cannot see the club brining any more than 5 new playing staff into the club at an absolute maximum. More likely three. Pressure will then be put on PV to fill the gaps in the squad with players that have come through the clubs academy/development squad.
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Middlesbrough 06 Jul 21 3.37pm

I think people may have to temper their expectations, especially with regards to the number of signings. I feel people on here band around numbers they think we need that are a way off what the club will realistically be able to achieve and are then despondent when that number is not achieved.

I cannot see the club brining any more than 5 new playing staff into the club at an absolute maximum. More likely three. Pressure will then be put on PV to fill the gaps in the squad with players that have come through the clubs academy/development squad.

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Eaglehamster Storrington 06 Jul 21 4.02pm
I really hope PV recognises and encourages talent from the academy. Roy was a bit reticent in this I think. 2 or 3 useful and enthusiastic recruits from there could make a big difference. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 06 Jul 21 4.02pm

I really hope PV recognises and encourages talent from the academy. Roy was a bit reticent in this I think.

2 or 3 useful and enthusiastic recruits from there could make a big difference.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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est1905 06 Jul 21 5.19pm
Originally posted by Sansbup I'm surprised there is significant negativity concerning PV's appointment and prospects of success. He was a top top player, by all accounts a respected coach and has some management experience. But I suppose some of you can potentially say "I told you so" in due course, so I hope that's some comfort for you. Personally I'm excited to see where we are by Christmas and if we're bottom then I'll eat humble pie. I wonder if the naysayers will do the same if he's a success? 1. He is NOT a respected coach....yet. 2. He has very very little management experience. 3. Being a 'top top' player means absolutely nothing. The best players very rarely make the best managers. That said, I want him to be a success as much as anyone. But then there is the risk he might be a massive success and Arteta gets the boot. I think we all know what will happen then dont we!
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06 Jul 21 5.19pm

Originally posted by Sansbup

I'm surprised there is significant negativity concerning PV's appointment and prospects of success. He was a top top player, by all accounts a respected coach and has some management experience.

But I suppose some of you can potentially say "I told you so" in due course, so I hope that's some comfort for you.

Personally I'm excited to see where we are by Christmas and if we're bottom then I'll eat humble pie. I wonder if the naysayers will do the same if he's a success?

1. He is NOT a respected coach....yet.
2. He has very very little management experience.
3. Being a 'top top' player means absolutely nothing. The best players very rarely make the best managers.
That said, I want him to be a success as much as anyone. But then there is the risk he might be a massive success and Arteta gets the boot. I think we all know what will happen then dont we!

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jul 21 5.33pm
Originally posted by est1905 1. He is NOT a respected coach....yet. 2. He has very very little management experience. 3. Being a 'top top' player means absolutely nothing. The best players very rarely make the best managers. That said, I want him to be a success as much as anyone. But then there is the risk he might be a massive success and Arteta gets the boot. I think we all know what will happen then dont we! Good summation I think. I'm looking at point 1. as a positive - he has everything to prove. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jul 21 5.33pm

Originally posted by est1905

Good summation I think.

I'm looking at point 1. as a positive - he has everything to prove.

Old, Ungifted and White

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jul 21 5.41pm
Originally posted by Willo If Vieira proves to be a success, I suspect other clubs higher in the 'Food chain' will come calling if they wish to replace their managers. On a general point, had the club appointed Lampard,Dyche,Favre,Nuno, HOL would be awash with excitement and there would have been a real sense of optimism.I don't sense these emotions at the present time. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2021 1.38pm) Not in my case. They all had their plus points but also their negatives. I think PV is a bold appointment and with risk comes excitement. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Jul 21 5.41pm

Originally posted by Willo

If Vieira proves to be a success, I suspect other clubs higher in the 'Food chain' will come calling if they wish to replace their managers.

On a general point, had the club appointed Lampard,Dyche,Favre,Nuno, HOL would be awash with excitement and there would have been a real sense of optimism.I don't sense these emotions at the present time.

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2021 1.38pm)

Not in my case. They all had their plus points but also their negatives.

I think PV is a bold appointment and with risk comes excitement.

Old, Ungifted and White

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 06 Jul 21 5.46pm
Originally posted by Knightstar I think Vieira will prove to be a good choice. He was a World-class player and has some useful managerial experience and will have gained from his time at City under Mancini. I also think the out of contract situation isn't that bad if we can get Townsend, Ward and Cahill on extensions. That would give us a squad of 19 if I've counted right and then we need to buy or loan the following: 1 x RB (as 1st choice prior to Ferguson return) 2 x CH (to be groomed alongside Tompkins/Cahill) 1 x DM (box to box in the PV mould) 1 x AM (to cover for Eze until he returns) 1 x RW (as 1st choice with Andros as backup) This should all be doable and all the talk of relegation should cease. Come on, be positive! COYP! Townsend/Cahill NOT resigning, according to rumours. RB, you wouldn't resign Ward/Clyne? IMHO, Ferguson will NEVER play for us in the EPL. Woods & RB-H are looking very god from the youth teams. Rak-Sakyi is about(hopefully) to be added to the 1st team squad That's 5 of your 6 required. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 06 Jul 21 5.46pm

Originally posted by Knightstar

I think Vieira will prove to be a good choice. He was a World-class player and has some useful managerial experience and will have gained from his time at City under Mancini.
I also think the out of contract situation isn't that bad if we can get Townsend, Ward and Cahill on extensions. That would give us a squad of 19 if I've counted right and then we need to buy or loan the following:
1 x RB (as 1st choice prior to Ferguson return)
2 x CH (to be groomed alongside Tompkins/Cahill)
1 x DM (box to box in the PV mould)
1 x AM (to cover for Eze until he returns)
1 x RW (as 1st choice with Andros as backup)

This should all be doable and all the talk of relegation should cease. Come on, be positive!

COYP!

Townsend/Cahill NOT resigning, according to rumours.
RB, you wouldn't resign Ward/Clyne? IMHO, Ferguson will NEVER play for us in the EPL.
Woods & RB-H are looking very god from the youth teams. Rak-Sakyi is about(hopefully) to be added to the 1st team squad
That's 5 of your 6 required.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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djmikeyp 06 Jul 21 6.15pm
It's great to see the smiling faces in the photos coming out of Vieira's first sessions. It might be a simplistic view, but our team always seems to play at its best when the players appear happy,rather than looking in despair because they're a goal behind. A positive attitude can go a huge way to overcoming any perceived inferiority when playing against so-called bigger teams.
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06 Jul 21 6.15pm

It's great to see the smiling faces in the photos coming out of Vieira's first sessions. It might be a simplistic view, but our team always seems to play at its best when the players appear happy,rather than looking in despair because they're a goal behind. A positive attitude can go a huge way to overcoming any perceived inferiority when playing against so-called bigger teams.

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ex hibitionist Hastings 06 Jul 21 6.31pm
Now he's here and he's made a few noises I am personally very pleased, hopeful and optimistic. He has a great pedigree having gone through the Man City set up, he did well for two full seasons at Nice, there are always negative aspects, he is clearly no mug, there is a good set up in place and I have every confidence that he'll be able to make the changes he needs game by game to get results we need. It shows how far we've come that so many of us can feel trepidation at having as manager someone of the calibre of Patrick Vieira.
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Now he's here and he's made a few noises I am personally very pleased, hopeful and optimistic. He has a great pedigree having gone through the Man City set up, he did well for two full seasons at Nice, there are always negative aspects, he is clearly no mug, there is a good set up in place and I have every confidence that he'll be able to make the changes he needs game by game to get results we need. It shows how far we've come that so many of us can feel trepidation at having as manager someone of the calibre of Patrick Vieira.

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Putitout Oxford 06 Jul 21 6.56pm
Viera, talks of bringing players to the club in his interview, it does look as if this is definitely the plan. It begins to look more and more as if it’s out with the old and in with the young. If it’s true that Cahill , will be off with Sako, and Dann, then we really could do with a quality central defender young or not so young to come in. Should be interesting seeing what comes to pass.
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Oxford 06 Jul 21 6.56pm

Viera, talks of bringing players to the club in his interview, it does look as if this is definitely the plan. It begins to look more and more as if it’s out with the old and in with the young. If it’s true that Cahill , will be off with Sako, and Dann, then we really could do with a quality central defender young or not so young to come in.
Should be interesting seeing what comes to pass.

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ambrose7 Croydon 06 Jul 21 7.28pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Townsend/Cahill NOT resigning, according to rumours. RB, you wouldn't resign Ward/Clyne? IMHO, Ferguson will NEVER play for us in the EPL. Woods & RB-H are looking very god from the youth teams. Rak-Sakyi is about(hopefully) to be added to the 1st team squad That's 5 of your 6 required. Am I right in thinking your team would be something like: Guaita Ward Tomkins Kelly Mitchell Ayew McArthur Luka Zaha Benteke Mateta? That looks really weak - it needs signings to genuinely impact the starting 11. We released Sam Woods. Rak-Sakyi isn't at the standard yet either, way too lightweight - evident just by watching U23 football let alone Premier League, and not good enough to get around that David Silva style. Looking forward to seeing who we can get - we can offer genuine first team football which has to be attractive. 26th January 2010 - Enter Administration 2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough 1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds 7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.
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ambrose7

Croydon 06 Jul 21 7.28pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Am I right in thinking your team would be something like:

Guaita
Ward
Tomkins
Kelly
Mitchell
Ayew
McArthur
Luka
Zaha
Benteke
Mateta?

That looks really weak - it needs signings to genuinely impact the starting 11.

We released Sam Woods. Rak-Sakyi isn't at the standard yet either, way too lightweight - evident just by watching U23 football let alone Premier League, and not good enough to get around that David Silva style.

Looking forward to seeing who we can get - we can offer genuine first team football which has to be attractive.

26th January 2010 - Enter Administration
2nd May 2010 - D-Day 1 - Survival at Hillsborough
1st June 2010 - D-Day 2 - Survival at Lloyds
7th June 2010 - CPFC2010 exchange contracts.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Jul 21 7.34pm
Has he changed his mind yet? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Jul 21 7.34pm

Has he changed his mind yet?

COYP

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sprites Auckland 06 Jul 21 7.36pm
Originally posted by ambrose7 Am I right in thinking your team would be something like: Guaita Ward Tomkins Kelly Mitchell Ayew McArthur Luka Zaha Benteke Mateta? That looks really weak - it needs signings to genuinely impact the starting 11. We released Sam Woods. Rak-Sakyi isn't at the standard yet either, way too lightweight - evident just by watching U23 football let alone Premier League, and not good enough to get around that David Silva style. Looking forward to seeing who we can get - we can offer genuine first team football which has to be attractive. That’s not actually that weak a team.
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