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legaleagle 12 Aug 15 9.06pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 8.33pm Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2015 6.33pm You're sounding like John 'British jobs for British workers' Prescott. Except that unlike Prescott and Brown.....I'm not lying. I'd be willing to actually implement the necessary requirements to help British working classes.....Actually get back to where they were before 'freedom of movement' disadvantaged some of them. Where were "they" beforehand precisely in the big scheme of things? Perhaps being shafted by governments and companies with wages kept lower than they might have been? As a random example,in the Thatcher years (pre EU expansion of freedom of movement)according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies poverty went up from 13.4% of the population living below 60% of median incomes before housing costs 1979 to 22.2%, or 12.2m people in 1990. Take income inequality another random example,one study suggested the share of all income received by the top 1% of the population rose from about 6% in 1979 to about 16% in 2005 (pre EU freedom of movement expansion). So,not so sure this "shafting" began in the mid 2000's and there was an idyllic era before due to the absence of so many migrants. Also,if you are going to take steps to help the "British" working class,when does a "migrant" worker become "British".On taking nationality? Or something different?
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legaleagle

12 Aug 15 9.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 8.33pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2015 6.33pm

You're sounding like John 'British jobs for British workers' Prescott.

Except that unlike Prescott and Brown.....I'm not lying.

I'd be willing to actually implement the necessary requirements to help British working classes.....Actually get back to where they were before 'freedom of movement' disadvantaged some of them.

Where were "they" beforehand precisely in the big scheme of things?

Perhaps being shafted by governments and companies with wages kept lower than they might have been?

As a random example,in the Thatcher years (pre EU expansion of freedom of movement)according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies poverty went up from 13.4% of the population living below 60% of median incomes before housing costs 1979 to 22.2%, or 12.2m people in 1990.

Take income inequality another random example,one study suggested the share of all income received by the top 1% of the population rose from about 6% in 1979 to about 16% in 2005 (pre EU freedom of movement expansion).

So,not so sure this "shafting" began in the mid 2000's and there was an idyllic era before due to the absence of so many migrants.

Also,if you are going to take steps to help the "British" working class,when does a "migrant" worker become "British".On taking nationality? Or something different?

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 15 9.08pm
Nick your views upon immigration......Your insistence that the British working class should be treated equally with incoming immigrants in regards to housing and jobs.....Well, it's exactly why Labour have lost the argument. It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour. The only people voting in large numbers are those with stuff to lose....They will always vote the Tories in. Labour look like they are going to vote in their version of a good old fashioned 'Trotsky'. Except this one is pro EU. Labour are essentially entering another inward looking phrase where they can speak to each other about how good egalitarianism is and how.....All they need to do is communicate it's ideas better to the masses and then they would understand how it's how they should live. It's like no one ever really grew up. But I'll enjoy the show regardless......Except I know that yet again another generation of British youth will have been sold down the path. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Aug 15 9.08pm

Nick your views upon immigration......Your insistence that the British working class should be treated equally with incoming immigrants in regards to housing and jobs.....Well, it's exactly why Labour have lost the argument.

It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour.

The only people voting in large numbers are those with stuff to lose....They will always vote the Tories in.

Labour look like they are going to vote in their version of a good old fashioned 'Trotsky'. Except this one is pro EU.

Labour are essentially entering another inward looking phrase where they can speak to each other about how good egalitarianism is and how.....All they need to do is communicate it's ideas better to the masses and then they would understand how it's how they should live.

It's like no one ever really grew up.

But I'll enjoy the show regardless......Except I know that yet again another generation of British youth will have been sold down the path.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Aug 15 9.15pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.08pm Nick your views upon immigration......Your insistence that the British working class should be treated equally with incoming immigrants in regards to housing and jobs.....Well, it's exactly why Labour have lost the argument. It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour. The only people voting in large numbers are those with stuff to lose....They will always vote the Tories in. Labour look like they are going to vote in their version of a good old fashioned 'Trotsky'. Except this one is pro EU. Labour are essentially entering another inward looking phrase where they can speak to each other about how good egalitarianism is and how.....All they need to do is communicate it's ideas better to the masses and then they would understand how it's how they should live. It's like no one ever really grew up. But I'll enjoy the show regardless......Except I know that yet again another generation of British youth will have been sold down the path. Labour in their current form are now basically f@ucked. Only when they reinvent themselves as 'new new labour will they stand as chance of appealing to the masses. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 12 Aug 15 9.15pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.08pm

It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour.

The only people voting in large numbers are those with stuff to lose....They will always vote the Tories in.

Labour look like they are going to vote in their version of a good old fashioned 'Trotsky'. Except this one is pro EU.

It's like no one ever really grew up.

But I'll enjoy the show regardless......Except I know that yet again another generation of British youth will have been sold down the path.

Labour in their current form are now basically f@ucked. Only when they reinvent themselves as 'new new labour will they stand as chance of appealing to the masses.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 15 9.18pm
Quote legaleagle at 12 Aug 2015 9.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 8.33pm Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2015 6.33pm You're sounding like John 'British jobs for British workers' Prescott. Except that unlike Prescott and Brown.....I'm not lying. I'd be willing to actually implement the necessary requirements to help British working classes.....Actually get back to where they were before 'freedom of movement' disadvantaged some of them. Where were "they" beforehand precisely in the big scheme of things? Perhaps being shafted by governments and companies with wages kept lower than they might have been? As a random example,in the Thatcher years (pre EU expansion of freedom of movement)according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies poverty went up from 13.4% of the population living below 60% of median incomes before housing costs 1979 to 22.2%, or 12.2m people in 1990. Take income inequality another random example,one study suggested the share of all income received by the top 1% of the population rose from about 6% in 1979 to about 16% in 2005 (pre EU freedom of movement expansion). So,not so sure this "shafting" began in the mid 2000's and there was an idyllic era before due to the absence of so many migrants. Also,if you are going to take steps to help the "British" working class,when does a "migrant" worker become "British".On taking nationality? Or something different? Why pick on the Thatcher years......income inequality has hardly improved. I'm not a supporter of the kind of crazy wealth distribution we have had since the seventies. However, allowing unfetted EU immigrants to complete with British workers for job positions not only affects their chances at jobs......Especially in selected professions but massively worsens their chances of being housed. It's like loony tunes time.....This country is building roughly half the number of houses it needs to every year......yet you and many on the left say....keep the 'freedom of movement' laws! Still, you're a modern leftie legal.....So you don't really give a damn about the working classes......Instead of saying 'restrict the numbers coming in'......You'd rather say 'build more houses'. A reality that's far less likely to happen and one that's partly out of government's hands anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2015 9.20pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Aug 15 9.18pm

Quote legaleagle at 12 Aug 2015 9.06pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 8.33pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2015 6.33pm

You're sounding like John 'British jobs for British workers' Prescott.

Except that unlike Prescott and Brown.....I'm not lying.

I'd be willing to actually implement the necessary requirements to help British working classes.....Actually get back to where they were before 'freedom of movement' disadvantaged some of them.

Where were "they" beforehand precisely in the big scheme of things?

Perhaps being shafted by governments and companies with wages kept lower than they might have been?

So,not so sure this "shafting" began in the mid 2000's and there was an idyllic era before due to the absence of so many migrants.

Also,if you are going to take steps to help the "British" working class,when does a "migrant" worker become "British".On taking nationality? Or something different?

Why pick on the Thatcher years......income inequality has hardly improved.

I'm not a supporter of the kind of crazy wealth distribution we have had since the seventies.

However, allowing unfetted EU immigrants to complete with British workers for job positions not only affects their chances at jobs......Especially in selected professions but massively worsens their chances of being housed.

It's like loony tunes time.....This country is building roughly half the number of houses it needs to every year......yet you and many on the left say....keep the 'freedom of movement' laws!

Still, you're a modern leftie legal.....So you don't really give a damn about the working classes......Instead of saying 'restrict the numbers coming in'......You'd rather say 'build more houses'.

A reality that's far less likely to happen and one that's partly out of government's hands anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2015 9.20pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Aug 15 9.21pm
I actually did well out of being 'Upper working class' as did millions of others I hasten to add. If those at the bottom of the heap cant be bothered to get off their sorry asses then f*** them. You have to help yourself in this world grab it with both hands no one else is going to help you do that. We need to become a more entrepreneurial based nation where people don't rely on handouts. I'd like to see more tax incentives for people starting their own business especially those who employ others. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Aug 15 9.21pm

I actually did well out of being 'Upper working class' as did millions of others I hasten to add. If those at the bottom of the heap cant be bothered to get off their sorry asses then f*** them. You have to help yourself in this world grab it with both hands no one else is going to help you do that.
We need to become a more entrepreneurial based nation where people don't rely on handouts. I'd like to see more tax incentives for people starting their own business especially those who employ others.

Pro USA & Israel

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 9.25pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.08pm Nick your views upon immigration......Your insistence that the British working class should be treated equally with incoming immigrants in regards to housing and jobs.....Well, it's exactly why Labour have lost the argument. It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour. Are you insinuating that British is better than non British? Shouldn't all people who are legally here regardless of being British or not be afforded the same rights? are are you suggesting that some form of apartheid should be put in place? As for the allowing the unlimited numbers in remark, I don't think I've ever said that. What I do know is there is a humanitarian crisis going on and many on here do not seem to give a s***.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 9.25pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.08pm

It's why the working class effectively dumped Labour.

Are you insinuating that British is better than non British?

Shouldn't all people who are legally here regardless of being British or not be afforded the same rights? are are you suggesting that some form of apartheid should be put in place?

As for the allowing the unlimited numbers in remark, I don't think I've ever said that.

What I do know is there is a humanitarian crisis going on and many on here do not seem to give a s***.

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Stirlingsays 12 Aug 15 9.26pm
Quote Jimenez at 12 Aug 2015 9.21pm I actually did well out of being 'Upper working class' as did millions of others I hasten to add. If those at the bottom of the heap cant be bothered to get off their sorry asses then f*** them. You have to help yourself in this world grab it with both hands no one else is going to help you do that. We need to become a more entrepreneurial based nation where people don't rely on handouts. I'd like to see more tax incentives for people starting their own business especially those who employ others. Yeah, because the only reason people are poor is because they are lazy.....Simplistic half truth nonsense. Jeez, are you Donald Trump's love child? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

12 Aug 15 9.26pm

Quote Jimenez at 12 Aug 2015 9.21pm

Yeah, because the only reason people are poor is because they are lazy.....Simplistic half truth nonsense.

Jeez, are you Donald Trump's love child?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 9.27pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.18pm Quote legaleagle at 12 Aug 2015 9.06pm Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 8.33pm Quote nickgusset at 12 Aug 2015 6.33pm You're sounding like John 'British jobs for British workers' Prescott. Except that unlike Prescott and Brown.....I'm not lying. I'd be willing to actually implement the necessary requirements to help British working classes.....Actually get back to where they were before 'freedom of movement' disadvantaged some of them. Where were "they" beforehand precisely in the big scheme of things? Perhaps being shafted by governments and companies with wages kept lower than they might have been? As a random example,in the Thatcher years (pre EU expansion of freedom of movement)according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies poverty went up from 13.4% of the population living below 60% of median incomes before housing costs 1979 to 22.2%, or 12.2m people in 1990. Take income inequality another random example,one study suggested the share of all income received by the top 1% of the population rose from about 6% in 1979 to about 16% in 2005 (pre EU freedom of movement expansion). So,not so sure this "shafting" began in the mid 2000's and there was an idyllic era before due to the absence of so many migrants. Also,if you are going to take steps to help the "British" working class,when does a "migrant" worker become "British".On taking nationality? Or something different? Why pick on the Thatcher years......income inequality has hardly improved. I'm not a supporter of the kind of crazy wealth distribution we have had since the seventies. However, allowing unfetted EU immigrants to complete with British workers for job positions not only affects their chances at jobs......Especially in selected professions but massively worsens their chances of being housed. It's like loony tunes time.....This country is building roughly half the number of houses it needs to every year......yet you and many on the left say....keep the 'freedom of movement' laws! Still, you're a modern leftie legal.....So you don't really give a damn about the working classes......Instead of saying 'restrict the numbers coming in'......You'd rather say 'build more houses'. A reality that's far less likely to happen and one that's partly out of government's hands anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Aug 2015 9.20pm) Do you think the Tories care about the working class?
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Aug 15 9.27pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Aug 2015 9.18pm