Mistake 101 for brexiteers, lots of wishful thinking and no assurance

102 expect anything other than a race to the bottom

103 trust the Government

104 overlook the hand of Russia in precipitating this most damaging move for both the UK and EU.

Trust nobody unless they have the same skin in the game as us.

There's quite a simple compromise on this fishing standoff and one that I can't see either side will see as unreasonable.

Just say pollocks to the French, and we keep the rest.

If pushed, pollocks to Scotland as well.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Really wary of this fishing stuff. In terms of the bigger picture, it is almost an irrelevance and whilst the significance of it in terms of an actual real example of where sovereignty will be strengthened by our departure (every legal precedent is on the UK's side) it is primarily symbolic rather than a genuine economic consideration.

What I really want to scrutinise is the other stuff about this 'level playing field' malarky. Because the whole point of Brexit is to make the UK more competitive. If we have been betrayed on that question then it means the wider 'Brexit' campaign is not over yet.

My rather cynical/paranoid view is that fishing is a smoke screen both sides are using to hide the real meat of any deal from genuine scrutiny until it is voted through.

Edited by Matov (18 Dec 2020 1.07pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Indeed.

The stupid comments by certain posters are frankly pathetic.
The idea that Brexit is about isolation and clinging on to vestiges of our long lost empire days is feeble minded twaddle from dim wits.

Some people clearly want us to be absorbed into the inevitable US of E and have policy dictated by Germany.

All these kinds of issues were around when the USA formed and still remain to this day. Even when they gained independence, many were not happy about that, and subsequently, anti federalists complained about the new national government. That was Americans governing Americans.
In this context, the anti federalism is about the British governing Britain. For some reason, Remainers want to dismantle British society and undermine our authority and self determination.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Dec 2020 4.02pm)

An excellent interview with Godfrey Bloom where he talks about the EU.

[Link]

An excellent insight into the civil service and their motivations and the EU gravy train.....how they view things and what they want for the future.

(Not really for remainers)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think as was already said the fishing issue is a smokescreen, both probably think they have a better deal than the other on other issues, i always buy british, unless i see a better deal from an Irish, Polish, Spanish or German farmer, then market forces come in to play, and my euros go to them.