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 Kermit8  Hevon 20 Apr 17 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Maybe but it doesn't stop you functioning as an individual. And, being quite frank, does government influence society on matters like rights or does society influence government? No, it wouldn't, but if my son turns out to be gay then certainly if he was denied certain rights that the rest of us enjoy because he was gay his situation would be anything but meaningless to me.
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Lyons550  Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you are straight,gay rights are meaningless to your life! What crap. Something is only meaningful to an individual if it affects them in some way...gay rights wont therefore be meaningful to the large portion of the population...so its a fair enough statement to make
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 2.30pm |
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Great speech from Corbyn this morning. What I like is that he says what goes in the manifesto will be fully costed. An extract, full speech here... [Link] Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities. A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves. It needs a government that will use that wealth to invest in people’s lives in every community to build a better future for every person who lives here. Because the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact. Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper, be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life. Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us, be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man. It is the rigged economy the Tories are protecting that Labour is committed to challenging. We will not let the elite extract wealth from the pockets of ordinary working people any longer. So many people in modern Britain do what seems like the right thing to do. They get jobs, they spend all day working hard, they save to buy their own home, they raise children, they look after elderly or sick relatives. And yet, at the end of it, they get almost nothing left over as a reward.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
That people from whatever walk of society should be treated equally. In which case, is it not politically correct to simply call these instances Anti Discrimatory...rather than 'Gay' rights...the use of the word itself is discriminatory to those that arent't Gay...surely?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Great speech from Corbyn this morning. What I like is that he says what goes in the manifesto will be fully costed. An extract, full speech here... [Link] Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities. A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves. It needs a government that will use that wealth to invest in people’s lives in every community to build a better future for every person who lives here. Because the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact. Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper, be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life. Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us, be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man. It is the rigged economy the Tories are protecting that Labour is committed to challenging. We will not let the elite extract wealth from the pockets of ordinary working people any longer. So many people in modern Britain do what seems like the right thing to do. They get jobs, they spend all day working hard, they save to buy their own home, they raise children, they look after elderly or sick relatives. And yet, at the end of it, they get almost nothing left over as a reward. Not a bad speech written for him there...but it's all empty rhetoric...the ideology sounds good...I'd be certainly interested in how long he would envisage it would take to see this happen as well as the cost...because in the past Labour governments have been shown time after time to spend 'now' rather than when the country can afford to do so. To implement the above properly the changes re: tax evasion etc needs to be addressed BEFORE that money should be spent.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 17 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Great speech from Corbyn this morning. What I like is that he says what goes in the manifesto will be fully costed. An extract, full speech here... [Link] Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities. A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves. It needs a government that will use that wealth to invest in people’s lives in every community to build a better future for every person who lives here. Because the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact. Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper, be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life. Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us, be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man. It is the rigged economy the Tories are protecting that Labour is committed to challenging. We will not let the elite extract wealth from the pockets of ordinary working people any longer. So many people in modern Britain do what seems like the right thing to do. They get jobs, they spend all day working hard, they save to buy their own home, they raise children, they look after elderly or sick relatives. And yet, at the end of it, they get almost nothing left over as a reward. Spoken like a man who knows he will be out of a job soon and will never have to deliver. So easy to be in opposition.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 20 Apr 17 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Something is only meaningful to an individual if it affects them in some way...gay rights wont therefore be meaningful to the large portion of the population...so its a fair enough statement to make So if one in twenty of the adult population is gay - that's around 2.5million - and if each individual as a reasonable assumption has 4-5 close family and/or friends that makes 12-15million individuals closely attached in some way and not by a two-way dildo. Gay rights, therefore, would be meaningful to quite a large chunk of the population. A minority 'yes' but a hefty minority.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
In which case, is it not politically correct to simply call these instances Anti Discrimatory...rather than 'Gay' rights...the use of the word itself is discriminatory to those that arent't Gay...surely? Rights for BME could also come under anti discrimanatory rights, but have nuanced differences from LGBT rights which is why (I think) there is a distinction.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Spoken like a man who knows he will be out of a job soon and will never have to deliver. So easy to be in opposition. How insightful. No arguments against what he said, just a dig. (which I suppose requires less thinking so it comes as no surprise)
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 20 Apr 17 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
That people from whatever walk of society should be treated equally. That's just a dream of a perfect society. I ask again, how does the issue of gay rights affect someone who isn't gay? Answer.... it doesn't.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 20 Apr 17 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So if one in twenty of the adult population is gay - that's around 2.5million - and if each individual as a reasonable assumption has 4-5 close family and/or friends that makes 12-15million individuals closely attached in some way and not by a two-way dildo. Gay rights, therefore, would be meaningful to quite a large chunk of the population. A minority 'yes' but a hefty minority. You make a fair point Kermie. Of course gay rights are not particularly significant for the majority in a direct personal sense but the principles they represent should always be significant in how we want society to be.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So if one in twenty of the adult population is gay - that's around 2.5million - and if each individual as a reasonable assumption has 4-5 close family and/or friends that makes 12-15million individuals closely attached in some way and not by a two-way dildo. Gay rights, therefore, would be meaningful to quite a large chunk of the population. A minority 'yes' but a hefty minority. But less then 25% of the current population...a relatively small minority at the moment (which I accept will continue to grow). As such I felt comfortable with matt's comment...and wont feel the need to recoil with some faux pc imbued distain.
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