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 Stuk  Top half 11 Nov 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
For some I think they would love the opportunity to say Up Yours but there is also the rather more important point that they are already members and they want to stay members. Why would the EU stop them? The legislation for joining the EU doesn't have a special clause they can enact, simply to try and piss off former members. Scotland is not an EU member and the EU told them repeatedly they will not simply have membership transferred.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The last thing the EU want is: A) members, or former members, to split into regions They were told this when they assumed their EU membership would carry on had they voted to leave the UK. It wouldn't have. I think that is a fair point to make and were the UK intending to remain in the EU I could imagine a situation where Spain for example did everything they could to frustrate Scotland in order to send a message to the Catalans. I think the UK leaving changes that calculation. The EU will take a view that there is a population that wants to be members of the EU and is being forced to leave against its will and Scotland will be quickly waived in. They might even position it such that Scotland takes the place of the UK in the EU. There are lots of very interesting things to be debated on this subject but Scotland getting very quick access to the EU if they voted for Independence is in my view a nailed on certainty.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 1.54pm |
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Imagine Scotland's economy without the Barnett formula and with the Euro. Hilarious.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The legislation for joining the EU doesn't have a special clause they can enact, simply to try and piss off former members. Scotland is not an EU member and the EU told them repeatedly they will not simply have membership transferred. They could decide that Scotland takes the UK place.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
I think that is a fair point to make and were the UK intending to remain in the EU I could imagine a situation where Spain for example did everything they could to frustrate Scotland in order to send a message to the Catalans. I think the UK leaving changes that calculation. The EU will take a view that there is a population that wants to be members of the EU and is being forced to leave against its will and Scotland will be quickly waived in. They might even position it such that Scotland takes the place of the UK in the EU. There are lots of very interesting things to be debated on this subject but Scotland getting very quick access to the EU if they voted for Independence is in my view a nailed on certainty. They would do that regardless of whether the UK was staying, as they told them when they had their referendum. Belgium would also split in two given half the chance. They have legislation on membership, they cannot just make it up on the hoof.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
They could decide that Scotland takes the UK place. They can't.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
Imagine Scotland's economy without the Barnett formula and with the Euro. Hilarious. Its funny how so many of the discussions about Scots Indy mirror those relating to Brexit. For example better decisions made locally than in the capital of another country. "Take back control" anyone? Then again Gove is a Scot. I suspect that Sturgeon would also answer to the well known traffic directions in Ireland .."I wouldn't chose to start from here". If Scottish oil was put into a Sovereign wealth fund rather than subsidizing the destruction of UK manufacturing then we would be in a similar situation as Norway. I have always thought that Scotland post-independence would be a little poorer than if they remained (just as the UK will be after Brexit). To many the democratic argument will trump that.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Nov 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
I think that is a fair point to make and were the UK intending to remain in the EU I could imagine a situation where Spain for example did everything they could to frustrate Scotland in order to send a message to the Catalans. I think the UK leaving changes that calculation. The EU will take a view that there is a population that wants to be members of the EU and is being forced to leave against its will and Scotland will be quickly waived in. They might even position it such that Scotland takes the place of the UK in the EU. There are lots of very interesting things to be debated on this subject but Scotland getting very quick access to the EU if they voted for Independence is in my view a nailed on certainty. Feel pretty sure Nicola Sturgeon was told when she went to see the EU leaders that if UK left as we are doing then Scotland would have to reply for membership as any other country would have to do and that's IF Scotland was an independent country and not part of UK. She knows she is beaten and is trying to make herself look good to the Scots but on each occasion she has tried something she has been shot down....Rightly so the poison little dwarf!
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They can't.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 11 Nov 16 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
They would do that regardless of whether the UK was staying, as they told them when they had their referendum. Belgium would also split in two given half the chance. They have legislation on membership, they cannot just make it up on the hoof.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Nov 16 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Their own rules don't allow it.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 11 Nov 16 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Their own rules don't allow it. Exactly, at best they could try and fast track it but would still take years and the reality is you would need the agreement of every nation which will not happen
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