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Part Time James 11 Oct 16 4.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Potentially it could be. Would it ever happen, no. Bulls*** from both sides. My thoughts exactly. It'd be grand if it happened, not just because it'd be good to see more cash channelled into the NHS, but also because a lot of Remainers would drop their bongos in surprise. But yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath that £350m will go back into the NHS even if that much was made available.
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Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 5.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Exactly. It's a little less onerous now that Obamacare stops insurers excluding pre-existing conditions and/or cancelling coverage when you get sick (yes, these were standard practice before Obamacare), but the cost/quality of health insurance is a significant factor when considering changing employers. My wife is self-employed; she would not have been able to start her own business were it not for the health coverage she gets through my employer. That's f***ed up. It seemed an eminently sensible policy and it's sad that it got watered down so much. This is why I think most conservative voters, were they to live in the USA, would normally vote democrat. Hillary aside.
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Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
My thoughts exactly. It'd be grand if it happened, not just because it'd be good to see more cash channelled into the NHS, but also because a lot of Remainers would drop their bongos in surprise. But yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath that £350m will go back into the NHS even if that much was made available. Agreed. Even if they said £50m of it could go to the NHS it would've been a vote winner but no, let's allocate the whole amount fictionally.
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nairb75 Baltimore 11 Oct 16 5.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A president can't just launch nuclear weapons on his own you know. Trump hasn't advocated for any of these current wars. So I'm not sure how he can be portrayed as a war monger. a president can give the order to launch. trump likes to strike back at people for stupid things. he doesn't think things through. he doesn't understand issues and nuance. he said he'll destroy ISIS, etc. he'll be tough with n korea, etc. always implying force or outwardly stating it. i'm not saying he would start a nuclear war and that it's likely. i don't trust him around a bottle rocket, though, let alone real weapons.
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blackpalacefan 11 Oct 16 5.22pm | |
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Trumps' campaign has totally fallen apart now anyway, so of more interest is how the republicans will try to rebound from this.
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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 16 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It seemed an eminently sensible policy and it's sad that it got watered down so much. This is why I think most conservative voters, were they to live in the USA, would normally vote democrat. Hillary aside. The problem with Obamacare is that it’s trying to impose controls on a commercial enterprise where profit, not “the public good”, is the overriding driver. Why we still do that for healthcare, when we don’t do it for other types of insurance (flood insurance on my home is provided by a government-underwritten program, for example) makes no sense. Premiums are rising at alarming rates because insurers are being forced to pay claims that they would have previously avoided, and they pass this cost, along with significant corporate overhead and advertising expenses, on to the insured. For the over-65s, health insurance is free under MediCare. It’s a wildly popular program with republicans and democrats alike. It’s also “single-payer”, which is a demon of the right and amazing to me how this misunderstanding persists. It runs at an overhead of about 3%, compared to an insurance company whose overhead is about 30%. We spent $3 trillion on healthcare in 2015, so insurance companies are adding perhaps $1 trillion to the overall cost. That’s insane.
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nairb75 Baltimore 11 Oct 16 5.29pm | |
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trump is supported by people purely on emotion. they're angry as hell. and it's b/c the world passed them by: financially (low skill job losses), status (white people can't say and do whatever the hell they want anymore), community (all the smart people they knew got out of the crap town they're from). they're just mad. they want everything they had back (a false utopian society of the 1950's), and they want it now. this is regardless of there is a slight chance that it will ever happen. the republicans courted these people in the 60's and it helped them quite a bit. but now they've taken over the party. many good republicans out there but their voices are drowned out and this is the choice america is left with: an outright and complete buffoon, defined by any measure you want to use. or a totally bland establishment candidate who is connected to special interests, amongst other things. so here america is - waiting to see if trump could be even remotely presidential, hoping. and he goes so far in the other direction that even his own party have turned on him. and the rest of us hold our nose and vote for hillary, hoping she doesn't #### anything up too badly.
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Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 16 5.35pm | |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
Trumps' campaign has totally fallen apart now anyway, so of more interest is how the republicans will try to rebound from this. This appears to be the case (he's at war with "establishment" Republicans on Twitter this morning), but there will be longer-term consequences beyond the election. He has de-legitimised Clinton (the way he tried to de-legitimise Obama), which will serve to further divide the country. He has normalised racism, misogyny and, now, even sexual abuse which has emboldened the crazies to come out into the open. Racially-motivated violence is on the rise over here since Trump's run began, just like it did in the UK folowing the demonising of "foreigners" by the Brexit campaign. He will leave the country in worse shape than it was before he started his political tilt, and it will take a while to get back to the mostly effed up state we had before he got going.
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Kermit8 Hevon 11 Oct 16 5.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Precisely. We were going to be at war by now according to some of them. Now who is the bullsh1tter? Don't exaggerate so much. No one said that. What they did say - myself included - is that there will be more chance of conflict in the future with a disintegrating EU. It was formed to enhance peace between member nation amongst other things, you know.
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Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
The problem with Obamacare is that it’s trying to impose controls on a commercial enterprise where profit, not “the public good”, is the overriding driver. Why we still do that for healthcare, when we don’t do it for other types of insurance (flood insurance on my home is provided by a government-underwritten program, for example) makes no sense. Premiums are rising at alarming rates because insurers are being forced to pay claims that they would have previously avoided, and they pass this cost, along with significant corporate overhead and advertising expenses, on to the insured. For the over-65s, health insurance is free under MediCare. It’s a wildly popular program with republicans and democrats alike. It’s also “single-payer”, which is a demon of the right and amazing to me how this misunderstanding persists. It runs at an overhead of about 3%, compared to an insurance company whose overhead is about 30%. We spent trillion on healthcare in 2015, so insurance companies are adding perhaps trillion to the overall cost. That’s insane. Plain wrong. Even if you have private medical cover over here they don't take the piss on a US level of things.
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Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Now who is the bullsh1tter? Don't exaggerate so much. No one said that. What they did say - myself included - is that there will be more chance of conflict in the future with a disintegrating EU. It was formed to enhance peace between member nation amongst other things, you know. That was an obvious exaggeration unless you are daft. It was part of a discussion about the bulls*** spouted, by both sides. You disappoint me. There's f*** all chance of conflict between us and the EU states. Edited by Stuk (11 Oct 2016 8.58pm)
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Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 8.56pm | |
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f***ing poxy ads. Edited by Stuk (11 Oct 2016 8.57pm)
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