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johnfirewall 17 Dec 16 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who is jumping to the defence of a religious fundamentalist? In objectively discussing the chance of mental illness behind a range of attacks? Hardly.
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johnfirewall 05 Jan 17 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who is jumping to the defence of a religious fundamentalist? So no mention of mental illness, although reported elsewhere that he's an alcoholic. Happy to concede that he wasn't mentally ill, if you can admit it's not a racist attack because he's not white.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jan 17 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
So no mention of mental illness, although reported elsewhere that he's an alcoholic. Happy to concede that he wasn't mentally ill, if you can admit it's not a racist attack because he's not white. I'd say being found not mentally ill makes it even more likely it's a racist attack.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd say being found not mentally ill makes it even more likely it's a racist attack. Well it does, and it doesn't - Not being of diminished responsibility, doesn't mean that your not mentally ill. The grounds of 'insanity defences' were changed from being mentally ill during the 80s I think, due to public and political pressure, which had seen 'serious crimes' ending up in 'cushy psychiatric detentions'. As such, someone can suffer from extreme mental illness and be found guilty of crimes, because their actions are not the function of a diminished capacity for self control (ie the perpetrator knew what they were doing, or could understand that it was wrong, rather than being the direct product of a psychotic break from reality - i.e. crazy). A result of this, is that far more people with acute and dangerous mental health issues enter the prison system rather than psychiatric treatment. A notable case of profile is with serial killers who typically have personality disorders (which are not recognised as diminished responsibility for an insanity defence).
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
So no mention of mental illness, although reported elsewhere that he's an alcoholic. Happy to concede that he wasn't mentally ill, if you can admit it's not a racist attack because he's not white. Technically speaking, even if he's mentally ill, its still a racist attack. People with mental health problems, can still be racist (or non-racist) there isn't a direct correlation between racism and mental health.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 17 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd say being found not mentally ill makes it even more likely it's a racist attack. And this sort of interracial violence is something that is now common place in glorious multi cultural Britain. We now have a record number of "races" and religions just queuing up to hate each other. Well done government.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And this sort of interracial violence is something that is now common place in glorious multi cultural Britain. We now have a record number of "races" and religions just queuing up to hate each other. Well done government. Common place? incidents of violence and the risk of encountering them are staggeringly low (the experience of crime in any meaningful way on members of the public is exceptionally low). Most common place of violence revolves around two primary areas. Domestic violence and alcohol related crime.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 17 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Common place? incidents of violence and the risk of encountering them are staggeringly low (the experience of crime in any meaningful way on members of the public is exceptionally low). Most common place of violence revolves around two primary areas. Domestic violence and alcohol related crime.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 2.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There were 104420 incidents of violent crime reported in the UK (down 5.11% on the previous year) as of Nov 2016. Population of the UK is around 60m. As such violent crime isn't really common place, so a subsection of violent crime isn't common place either. No amount of massaging can turn that percentage into common place experience.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 2.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
By friction, you mean violence typically by natives directed at migrants - or is this also the fault of people legally going about their day. Also by immigrant, you mean ethnic groups - who may not be immigrants, but decendants of immigrants. Also what about gang violence throughout history which has typically been motivated not by ethnicity, but by income. Gangs tend to divide along lines of association (race, family, ethnicity, religion) based more on loyality. Also such gangs are notorious for predatation on their own groups first, and only a wider spectrum when they operate outside of ethnic groups typically ignored by the police.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jan 17 5.40pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
By friction, you mean violence typically by natives directed at migrants - or is this also the fault of people legally going about their day. Also by immigrant, you mean ethnic groups - who may not be immigrants, but decendants of immigrants. Also what about gang violence throughout history which has typically been motivated not by ethnicity, but by income. Gangs tend to divide along lines of association (race, family, ethnicity, religion) based more on loyality. Also such gangs are notorious for predatation on their own groups first, and only a wider spectrum when they operate outside of ethnic groups typically ignored by the police. I'm not sure any of that matters or stands up. The seriousness of friction between "races"/religions/cultures does not depend on which particular ones are involved or if it was them or their parents who emigrated here. What is clear is that the more cultures we have, the more potential friction.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jan 17 6.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure any of that matters or stands up. The seriousness of friction between "races"/religions/cultures does not depend on which particular ones are involved or if it was them or their parents who emigrated here. What is clear is that the more cultures we have, the more potential friction. My friends within minorities seem to have a lot more experience of violence, threats and abuse from whites, than I have had from minorities. In fact despite living in Reading (very ethnically diverse) and working in Slough for 10 years, I can think of only two incidents which come close, both related to the girlfriend I was with - but I also got grief for that from white people too. Generally I think the 'friction' is really an excuse perpetuated by people who are generally c**ts to justify being c**ts. Everyone else generally seems to get along, except the people with an issue or chip on their shoulder.
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