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 Ray in Houston  Houston 11 Oct 16 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Well it's not their one billion they're spending and they do get over 0K per year for life. (not that these two will see as much benefit for that, being as old as they are) They also get free healthcare for life. Everyone who's ever been elected to Congress does. I have good health insurance through my company, but for my wife and I it costs over $650/month, has a deductible of $6,000, plus I pay 20% of all medical bills up to a maximum of $12,000. So, if we have a bad year, we can be dinged for a total of just under $26,000. Prescriptions are in addition. And, I stress, this is good insurance.
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Stuk  Top half 11 Oct 16 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
You were also told that they would take the 350 million quid saved from the EU and spend it on the NHS. How did that work out? Did you not read the part I wrote about no facts from either side? Just bulls***. But they didn't say that we would save 350 mill post vote, that was post leaving. Still bulls*** though. Edited by Stuk (11 Oct 2016 4.02pm)
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| Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
They also get free healthcare for life. Everyone who's ever been elected to Congress does. I have good health insurance through my company, but for my wife and I it costs over 0/month, has a deductible of ,000, plus I pay 20% of all medical bills up to a maximum of ,000. So, if we have a bad year, we can be dinged for a total of just under ,000. Prescriptions are in addition. And, I stress, this is good insurance. Yes it's a properly s*** system they have. It also ties many people to their employers. Hence the American way of turning up to work even when unwell, too much to risk.
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| Part Time James 11 Oct 16 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Did you not read the part I wrote about no facts from either side? Just bulls***. But they didn't say that we would save 350 mill post vote, that was post leaving. Still bulls*** though. Edited by Stuk (11 Oct 2016 4.02pm) I'm backing you, but actually a slight contradiction in this. They said the amount we paid into being part of the EU could potentially be recouped and allow us to put £350m into the NHS if the person managing the economy decided to allocate that additional budget in that way. However, so that I don't sound like Boris Johnson, I'm not going to say I necessarily believed that a) that'd be the net gain of leaving (if there even will be a net financial gain from leaving, who am I to forecast?) and b) that the money would be allocated as such.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 16 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
But 3 months in the £ devaluing is helping our exports and the FTSE100 is nearly at an all time high. Are you suggesting that a weak currency is a good thing? Isn't the strength of the pound, and protecting same, one of the major drivers behind Brexit in the first place?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Oct 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I'm backing you, but actually a slight contradiction in this. They said the amount we paid into being part of the EU could potentially be recouped and allow us to put £350m into the NHS if the person managing the economy decided to allocate that additional budget in that way. However, so that I don't sound like Boris Johnson, I'm not going to say I necessarily believed that a) that'd be the net gain of leaving (if there even will be a net financial gain from leaving, who am I to forecast?) and b) that the money would be allocated as such. That part wasn't on the side of the bus.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 16 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Yes it's a properly s*** system they have. It also ties many people to their employers. Hence the American way of turning up to work even when unwell, too much to risk. Exactly. It's a little less onerous now that Obamacare stops insurers excluding pre-existing conditions and/or cancelling coverage when you get sick (yes, these were standard practice before Obamacare), but the cost/quality of health insurance is a significant factor when considering changing employers. My wife is self-employed; she would not have been able to start her own business were it not for the health coverage she gets through my employer. That's f***ed up.
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| Part Time James 11 Oct 16 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
That part wasn't on the side of the bus. Absolutely. I think I said on the forum at the time that this was something that did stick in my throat a bit about my intention to vote Leave. I don't for one second suggest that this wasn't massively underhanded and an extremely important caveat. I'd like to think the public saw through it, voters voting both ways. I doubt 100% of them did though. But yes, I concur. What it isn't is a "lie" what it is (and this may be equally as bad, so this is just an argument about semantics) is a deliberate withholding of a fundamental caveat in the interest of winning votes. However, that seems somewhat traditional in politics...
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| Ray in Houston Houston 11 Oct 16 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
That part wasn't on the side of the bus. They'd need a much bigger bus.
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| Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I'm backing you, but actually a slight contradiction in this. They said the amount we paid into being part of the EU could potentially be recouped and allow us to put £350m into the NHS if the person managing the economy decided to allocate that additional budget in that way. However, so that I don't sound like Boris Johnson, I'm not going to say I necessarily believed that a) that'd be the net gain of leaving (if there even will be a net financial gain from leaving, who am I to forecast?) and b) that the money would be allocated as such. Potentially it could be. Would it ever happen, no. Bulls*** from both sides.
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| blackpalacefan 11 Oct 16 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I love the fact there is no middle ground. I think its pretty clear that there are significant gender, racial and policing issues, that need to be addressed but there is always the 'na-na-na' if I don't listen it can't be real. They're also determinable inequalities that can be scientifically demonstrated. Granted no one should feel guilty for being in the majority, but they also need to understand that there are significant issues around these subjects. Whilst I don't subscribe to the 'accept everything', just ignoring issues and groups in society, because they're in the minority, is equally absurd. With many it's not so much about a genuine concern that these minority groups have too much of a voice - because they don't - it's a fear of having nobody to look down on. Who in their right mind would suggest that out of the two Trump is more of a voice of reason for community cohension. The man's whole campaign was launched off the back of years long racist birther statements. But that's okay because it's the 'right kind' of racism. Edited by blackpalacefan (11 Oct 2016 6.19pm)
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| Stuk Top half 11 Oct 16 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Are you suggesting that a weak currency is a good thing? Isn't the strength of the pound, and protecting same, one of the major drivers behind Brexit in the first place? The most reasonable comments on this are here: Shame we don't still have him instead of this cock Mark Carney.
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