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 Kermit8  Hevon 06 May 16 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
You read the same Guardian article this week which narrowed racism down to oppression? Sorry but these attitudes lead to all of those things.
Yes , you are right. From little acorns and all that. But to be a proper racist you have to demonstrate something more than just an obnoxious comment. Tarantino would be classified as a racist if it were not so.
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 06 May 16 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Not so. He made racialist comments. Proper racism, the real stuff, is all about exclusion/ violence/haranguing or all three in some cases. Ron was being a racialist prick but he's no racist. slavery was pretty inclusive
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 May 16 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
slavery was pretty inclusive Hmmm...didn't include their freedom. Minor point, I know
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 Hrolf The Ganger  06 May 16 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yes , you are right. From little acorns and all that. But to be a proper racist you have to demonstrate something more than just an obnoxious comment. Tarantino would be classified as a racist if it were not so. I totally agree with you on this point. We are at risk of effectively removing free speech. What is telling is who is and who is not seemingly constantly offended.
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| johnfirewall 06 May 16 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Yes , you are right. From little acorns and all that. But to be a proper racist you have to demonstrate something more than just an obnoxious comment. Tarantino would be classified as a racist if it were not so. I commend you on your pragmatism. No, Tarantino isn't racist this week although you must have seen the outrage about Hateful Eight over the language used by Samuel L Jackson's character. This week we're talking about why white men don't get the Beyonce album. Ultimately there's no point analysing right and wrong, because someone else will tell you and the concensus is that we're not entitled to do so. Which undermines any non racial prejudice anyone may have been on the receiving end of. Edited by johnfirewall (06 May 2016 12.31pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 May 16 10.51pm |
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A very good read defending Corbyn that unpicks a lot of the background of this story.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 May 16 6.21am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A very good read defending Corbyn that unpicks a lot of the background of this story. You would do yourself a favour if you admitted Labour, and the broader left, had a problem with anti semitism and dropped this crap that it is a conspiracy.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 May 16 9.58am |
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Let's just be honest. Labour are in bed with ethnic minorities. Some of them aren't very keen on some of the others. Muslim members of the Labour party are likely to have a problem with the Jewish faith. What did we expect was going to happen? #naive
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 May 16 10.23am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You would do yourself a favour if you admitted Labour, and the broader left, had a problem with anti semitism and dropped this crap that it is a conspiracy. You would do yourself a favour and realise that a lot of the left and others are critical of Israeli policy towards Palestine. But that doesn't make them anti semetic.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 May 16 10.28am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You would do yourself a favour and realise that a lot of the left and others are critical of Israeli policy towards Palestine. But that doesn't make them anti semetic. A lot of the right are critical of Israel. Being critical of Israel is not being debated here. What is being debated is the plethora of Labour supporters, elected officials and 'senior representatives' who think it is ok to use anti Semetic language in the press and on social media. And you are grasping at straws because you cannot get your head around the fact that the left can be just as racist as any other section of society.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 May 16 10.32am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
A lot of the right are critical of Israel. Being critical of Israel is not being debated here. What is being debated is the plethora of Labour supporters, elected officials and 'senior representatives' who think it is ok to use anti Semetic language in the press and on social media. And you are grasping at straws because you cannot get your head around the fact that the left can be just as racist as any other section of society. Plethora? Do you have a list of names and their positions? I'm sure Guido Fawkes (the main s*** stirrers behind this) must have published one.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 May 16 10.46am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Plethora? Do you have a list of names and their positions? I'm sure Guido Fawkes (the main s*** stirrers behind this) must have published one. Look back on this thread. There have been plenty of links for you look at. Guido Fawkes has been investigating this and if this type of investigation had been done by one of your crackpot, leftie blogs, you would no doubt be praising it as a fine example of investigative journalism. Do you view the reports on so-called Tory expenses irregularities as 's*** stirring'? Do you think Corbyn and the broad left is beyond scrutiny?
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