I wasn't referring to responsibility for consent to sex, Jamie but to taking responsibility for your OWN behaviour and actions and not getting so drunk that you go off in a cab to an hotel, with a total stranger and have sex with 2 men, then can't remember how you got there the next morning!

No one, based on the evidence at the trial, can say that anyone else was responsible for the woman being in that state but herself!

Personally I'd rather the listened to the evidence, take into account the law, and make a decision based on the trial, rather than their common sense.

It seems common sense automatically assumes that drunk women are fair game, even if you don't know them. Because it seems women are to be held very accountable for their actions, but men aren't held equally accountable.

If I have sex with someone who's drunk, that I've never met, in an alley way, and they say they were raped. The assumption of consent isn't established if only the accused state it was given.

The issues for the accused isn't about consent. Its about his actions prior to sex, and after sex, being considered 'reasonable' to assume consent.

Now it could all be a pack of lies. But its down to the jury to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, whether it was rape, as defined in law, not 'common sense' or their opinion of rape.

You over think stuff Jamie.

So if you got really drunk, crashed over at a friends house, and then their friend turned up and sodomised you, that would be ok.

No of course not, I would have to be unconscious, beyond response. This tart was clearly awake and compos mentis on arrival as the video clearly shows, no way she didnt know what was going, she got the hump because he f***ed her then f***ed off.

Provided they both said you consented, and you couldn't remember anything? Or is it different because its a woman, and we in society have a kind of acceptance of the idea that its kind of ok.

Bulls***, not anywhere did I imply it's ok if it's women, male rape is on the increase and normally involves drugs. I'd like to see any poof try and bum me without me being totally unable to function.

Does the same analogy of 'looking out for yourself' apply to men, or other crimes. If for example, you wander down a known crime spot, late at night, are you asking to be robbed.

No but you have ignored the risk to your personnel safety and put yourself in possible harms way if you make that risk assessment and decide to enter into a s*** hole at night and do get mugged etc, then you have to take some proportionally responsibility as it is a risk you took.

For example would I knowingly go back to gay guys hotel room, then wait till his mate showed up FCUK NO !!

So why is it ok, if you go home with someone, drunk, to be f**ked by someone else entirely. I get why McDonald is innocent. I don't understand, on the evidence presented in court, why the convicted party is considered 'hard done by or unlucky'.

Because she could have said no, at no point in time did McDonald admit to having sex with her, it was only Evans that admitted he had sex with her that lead to his original conviction, why would you admit to having sex with a women you raped ?

We shouldn't as men, be f**king people who are to drunk to understand. Especially if we've only just met them in our friends hotel room, at 2am....

Agreed, however IMO she was not that intoxicated as to have no control of any of her faculties. She was there at her own volition and was not press ganged.

On 22 March 2016 the case was heard by the Court of Appeal, which imposed a ban on reporting details of the legal argument. On 21 April 2016, the appeal was allowed and the conviction quashed. A retrial was ordered, and the details of the reasons for the decision cannot be reported until the conclusion of the retrial.

Gold digger end of.