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cryrst The garden of England 14 Oct 19 11.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course it isn't. You make a prediction on known facts. You make a guess without them. Nope ,its a forecast,a prophecy. Better known as a guess.
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The garden of England 14 Oct 19 11.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course it isn't.

You make a prediction on known facts.

You make a guess without them.

Nope ,its a forecast,a prophecy.
Better known as a guess.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.15pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I see. So it’s not refusing to allow an election when it’s in our best interest. Nothing to do with thinking they might not win. The two things go hand in hand don't they? Unless you have control you cannot do what you believe to be in the country's best interests. Being a martyr won't help anyone. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.15pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I see. So it’s not refusing to allow an election when it’s in our best interest. Nothing to do with thinking they might not win.

The two things go hand in hand don't they?

Unless you have control you cannot do what you believe to be in the country's best interests.

Being a martyr won't help anyone.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.20pm
Originally posted by cryrst Nope ,its a forecast,a prophecy. Better known as a guess. I think you need a dictionary. Forecasts aren't guesses. I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence. You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.20pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Nope ,its a forecast,a prophecy.
Better known as a guess.

I think you need a dictionary.

Forecasts aren't guesses.

I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence.

You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.32pm
Originally posted by Badger11 We've had minority governments before this is nothing new until Parliament call a GE the government must carry on and to do that it has to have an agenda. And on the subject of GE the opposition had the opportunity to call a GE which would have been held before 31 Oct thus negating the no deal Brexit if they won. They chose not to do so because certain MPS will lose their seats because they defected and others were not sure their party would win. It's pathetic that they now cry foul when they could have stopped this. The reason was a lack of trust in Johnson who has resolutely said he would bring us out on Oct 31st come what may. So the priority had to be getting the Benn Act passed to stop that before the prorogation took effect. Parliament didn't know it was then going to be declared unlawful, but the fact that it was gives support to their reasons to distrust him. If you examine the timelines you will see that there really hasn't been a clear opportunity to hold a GE and be sure of stopping a "no deal". Remember there have now been two prorogations, a Queen's speech and all the subsequent debates which take up the time. Alongside that we have a divided approach from the various members opposing a "no deal" who need to find a common cause to coalesce around. That now seems to finally be happening but when people are also playing their own political games it isn't easy. I don't let anyone off the hook yet. If they fail to protect us from the nightmare of the present government then there will be some harsh words from me towards whoever is responsible. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 11.32pm

Originally posted by Badger11

We've had minority governments before this is nothing new until Parliament call a GE the government must carry on and to do that it has to have an agenda.

And on the subject of GE the opposition had the opportunity to call a GE which would have been held before 31 Oct thus negating the no deal Brexit if they won. They chose not to do so because certain MPS will lose their seats because they defected and others were not sure their party would win.

It's pathetic that they now cry foul when they could have stopped this.

The reason was a lack of trust in Johnson who has resolutely said he would bring us out on Oct 31st come what may. So the priority had to be getting the Benn Act passed to stop that before the prorogation took effect. Parliament didn't know it was then going to be declared unlawful, but the fact that it was gives support to their reasons to distrust him.

If you examine the timelines you will see that there really hasn't been a clear opportunity to hold a GE and be sure of stopping a "no deal". Remember there have now been two prorogations, a Queen's speech and all the subsequent debates which take up the time.

Alongside that we have a divided approach from the various members opposing a "no deal" who need to find a common cause to coalesce around. That now seems to finally be happening but when people are also playing their own political games it isn't easy.

I don't let anyone off the hook yet. If they fail to protect us from the nightmare of the present government then there will be some harsh words from me towards whoever is responsible.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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dynamicdick Dormansland 15 Oct 19 12.15am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is worthy of winning the Trump prize for "Conspiracy Theory of the Year". It's the kind of mixing of half facts woven with misunderstandings that circulate all the time on the internet these days, especially on Trump supporting sites in the USA. I won't even bother to dissect it and try to point out where it's wrong. It's all wrong. Fortunately Parliament doesn't listen to this kind of thing! This has nothing whatsoever to do withTrump and this is no conspiracy theory. God knows why you are bringing him into it. Your mutterings are akin to David Ike and after reading volumes of what you have written on here I am really beginning to wonder. So let’s get back onto the specifics of your reply to me. Half facts woven with misunderstandings and it’s all wrong plus you won’t bother to dissect my comments, wow that is constructive debating. Everything I have written is as the opening letters states IMO (In My Opinion) and the fact that you have merely broad brushed your reply without going into details merely demonstrates that you aren’t interested in a proper debate. You are clearly a person who has bought into the propaganda of the conspirators believing that blocking Brexit and with it the democratic decision of the 17.4 million is acceptable. It isn’t and thank God we have Boris who is leading the charge to deliver that mandate and by the way the choice was In or Out and nothing about negotiating a deal. Every single MP should have respected the vote and thought about the effects of delay and that is really hurting the people that actually put those goons in the hallowed job they are in. To the plotters stop plotting and support our PM or you will may be drawing the dole once we have a GE, the delay of which is an utter disgrace. And one last thing, if a deal cannot be achieved then the case will harden amongst Leavers for a No Deal as clearly any deal would simply make us a bigger puppet of the EU than we are now. This will then open the door to Mr Farage and as a blocker if you think you see Boris as a problem you ain’t seen nothing yet. Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 15 Oct 19 12.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is worthy of winning the Trump prize for "Conspiracy Theory of the Year".

It's the kind of mixing of half facts woven with misunderstandings that circulate all the time on the internet these days, especially on Trump supporting sites in the USA. I won't even bother to dissect it and try to point out where it's wrong. It's all wrong. Fortunately Parliament doesn't listen to this kind of thing!

This has nothing whatsoever to do withTrump and this is no conspiracy theory. God knows why you are bringing him into it. Your mutterings are akin to David Ike and after reading volumes of what you have written on here I am really beginning to wonder. So let’s get back onto the specifics of your reply to me.

Half facts woven with misunderstandings and it’s all wrong plus you won’t bother to dissect my comments, wow that is constructive debating.

Everything I have written is as the opening letters states IMO (In My Opinion) and the fact that you have merely broad brushed your reply without going into details merely demonstrates that you aren’t interested in a proper debate. You are clearly a person who has bought into the propaganda of the conspirators believing that blocking Brexit and with it the democratic decision of the 17.4 million is acceptable. It isn’t and thank God we have Boris who is leading the charge to deliver that mandate and by the way the choice was In or Out and nothing about negotiating a deal.
Every single MP should have respected the vote and thought about the effects of delay and that is really hurting the people that actually put those goons in the hallowed job they are in.
To the plotters stop plotting and support our PM or you will may be drawing the dole once we have a GE, the delay of which is an utter disgrace.

And one last thing, if a deal cannot be achieved then the case will harden amongst Leavers for a No Deal as clearly any deal would simply make us a bigger puppet of the EU than we are now. This will then open the door to Mr Farage and as a blocker if you think you see Boris as a problem you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Bring back Brolin

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Teddy Eagle 15 Oct 19 1.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The two things go hand in hand don't they? Unless you have control you cannot do what you believe to be in the country's best interests. Being a martyr won't help anyone. Not necessarily. I have a problem with Corbyn and his acolytes being opposed to everything to do with the EEC / EU for decades now deciding it’s the best thing for the country to delay leaving. That’s as moral a stance as offering to write off student debt. Tony Benn was true to his principles; these people are nothing but chancers.
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15 Oct 19 1.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The two things go hand in hand don't they?

Unless you have control you cannot do what you believe to be in the country's best interests.

Being a martyr won't help anyone.

Not necessarily. I have a problem with Corbyn and his acolytes being opposed to everything to do with the EEC / EU for decades now deciding it’s the best thing for the country to delay leaving. That’s as moral a stance as offering to write off student debt. Tony Benn was true to his principles; these people are nothing but chancers.

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Invalid user 2019 15 Oct 19 2.52am
Westminster Voting Intention: CON: 33% (+2) LAB: 30% (+2) LDM: 17% (-2) BXP: 12% (-3) GRN: 3% (+1) Via @Panelbase, 9-11 Oct. Changes w/ 5-6 Sep. The polls are all over the place right now.. They've generally more favourable towards the tories than this particular one but it's good to keep an eye on them anyway with an election likely around the corner
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15 Oct 19 2.52am

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 33% (+2)
LAB: 30% (+2)
LDM: 17% (-2)
BXP: 12% (-3)
GRN: 3% (+1)

Via @Panelbase, 9-11 Oct.
Changes w/ 5-6 Sep.

The polls are all over the place right now.. They've generally more favourable towards the tories than this particular one but it's good to keep an eye on them anyway with an election likely around the corner

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Invalid user 2019 15 Oct 19 2.53am
On much you trust [X] to make the right decisions on Brexit: Boris Johnson: Trust: 32% Do not trust: 60% Jeremy Corbyn: Trust: 16% Do not trust: 76% Parliament: Trust: 14% Do not trust: 77% via @YouGov, 09 - 10 Oct
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15 Oct 19 2.53am

On much you trust [X] to make the right decisions on Brexit:

Boris Johnson:
Trust: 32%
Do not trust: 60%

Jeremy Corbyn:
Trust: 16%
Do not trust: 76%

Parliament:
Trust: 14%
Do not trust: 77%

via @YouGov, 09 - 10 Oct

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dannyboy1978 15 Oct 19 3.09am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think you need a dictionary. Forecasts aren't guesses. I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence. You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess. You agree the IMF, previous chancellors, bank of England have got things wrong in the past? We can add to that the cost of cross rail, Heathrow, Wembley, HS2, all budgeted wrong. Kenneth Clarke even wanted us to go in the euro, why would I listne to him! Blair lied So can't trust him and Gordon Browns slogan, no more boom and bust, won't trust him. SO the population took their experience not to Listne to liars and so called experts to vote leave which more importantly was democracy. Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Oct 2019 3.17am) Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Oct 2019 3.19am)
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15 Oct 19 3.09am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you need a dictionary.

Forecasts aren't guesses.

I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence.

You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess.

You agree the IMF, previous chancellors, bank of England have got things wrong in the past?

We can add to that the cost of cross rail, Heathrow, Wembley, HS2, all budgeted wrong.

Kenneth Clarke even wanted us to go in the euro, why would I listne to him! Blair lied
So can't trust him and Gordon Browns slogan, no more boom and bust, won't trust him.

SO the population took their experience not to
Listne to liars and so called experts to vote leave which more importantly was democracy.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Oct 2019 3.17am)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Oct 2019 3.19am)

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Oct 19 6.03am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think you need a dictionary. Forecasts aren't guesses. I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence. You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess. Put prediction in your search bar and that's the definition.
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The garden of England 15 Oct 19 6.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you need a dictionary.

Forecasts aren't guesses.

I had to do loads of them in my business career and they are based on knowledge, past experience, trends and market intelligence.

You don't just stick your nose in the air and your fingers in your ears and guess.

Put prediction in your search bar and that's the definition.

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becky over the moon 15 Oct 19 6.45am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Depends who you are and who has managed to get control of the party machine. Which is one of the things I believe we need to address in the future to ensure our MPs can always vote according to the conscience and not be looking over their shoulder. I want to see all votes in the House to be secret and kept secret. If all votes in the House were secret, and not recorded for public access, how would any of us know what stance our MP took on matters of importance to us, so we could assess at the next election whether or not he is serving what we see as our best interests or what he/she regards as best for their constituents? How would we then know who to vote for? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Oct 19 6.45am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Depends who you are and who has managed to get control of the party machine. Which is one of the things I believe we need to address in the future to ensure our MPs can always vote according to the conscience and not be looking over their shoulder. I want to see all votes in the House to be secret and kept secret.

If all votes in the House were secret, and not recorded for public access, how would any of us know what stance our MP took on matters of importance to us, so we could assess at the next election whether or not he is serving what we see as our best interests or what he/she regards as best for their constituents? How would we then know who to vote for?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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W12 15 Oct 19 7.12am
Originally posted by becky If all votes in the House were secret, and not recorded for public access, how would any of us know what stance our MP took on matters of importance to us, so we could assess at the next election whether or not he is serving what we see as our best interests or what he/she regards as best for their constituents? How would we then know who to vote for? We could stay in the EU. That would ensure that all decision making is kept really secret.
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W12 15 Oct 19 7.12am

Originally posted by becky

We could stay in the EU.

That would ensure that all decision making is kept really secret.

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