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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You cannot be serious. The trouble is that no one will believe the majority of Remainers if they don't support a deal and then claim that it is because of anything other than party politics. What cannot happen under any cirumstances is no Brexit. It's you who aren't serious. This has nothing to do with "remainers". It only is to do with Parliament, as a whole, not being prepared to accept a "no deal" or a deal they cannot be confident will work. Sure Corbyn is playing a bit of a game but he can hardly be regarded as a genuine remainer, or actually a genuine anything. He though isn't Parliament. Nevertheless I think we are stumbling towards some kind of "deal", probably after an extension and a GE. Unless, of course, Parliament decides to consult the people again and this time they have come to their senses and decide to give up the whole idea. Those circumstances are definitely possible, if unlikely.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Ah yes...that voting system that was rejected in another referendum! For GEs yes, at least for the time being, although I personally hope that will change. That though is no reason at all why it cannot be used in these special circumstances if it could be shown to work.
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| dannyboy1978 14 Oct 19 6.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For GEs yes, at least for the time being, although I personally hope that will change. That though is no reason at all why it cannot be used in these special circumstances if it could be shown to work. What are these special circumstances? We are leaving the EU. No it's no buts , Your language is very arrogant like your view is the only right view.
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| dannyboy1978 14 Oct 19 7.18am |
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Interesting artical Just a little reminder of what the remoaners want to be a part of.
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Oct 19 7.34am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Interesting artical Just a little reminder of what the remoaners want to be a part of. IMF related and from 3 years ago!
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| dannyboy1978 14 Oct 19 8.14am |
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Originally posted by chris123
IMF related and from 3 years ago! What's your point?
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| chris123 hove actually 14 Oct 19 8.20am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
What's your point? Querying why our funding the IMF when George Osborne was chancellor has anything to do with leaving the Union.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Oct 19 9.19am |
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"Politicians love chaos. Don't ever think otherwise. It gives them authority, and it gives them power. It gives them profile. The idea that they'll fix it for you." He despairs about what he believes in absolutism on the political right and left, libertarian and Leninist with the same objective. To start again after the chaos. Isn't that right -John Le Carre speaking recently. How will they deal with the chaos they invented? Brexit is their current feeding ground - will keep them going for years to come and we fit their 'leavers' and 'remainers' unending conflict. Can the rug be pulled from beneath them? Hardly as only they can stop it themselves.
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Teddy Eagle  14 Oct 19 9.41am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
"Politicians love chaos. Don't ever think otherwise. It gives them authority, and it gives them power. It gives them profile. The idea that they'll fix it for you." He despairs about what he believes in absolutism on the political right and left, libertarian and Leninist with the same objective. To start again after the chaos. Isn't that right -John Le Carre speaking recently. How will they deal with the chaos they invented? Brexit is their current feeding ground - will keep them going for years to come and we fit their 'leavers' and 'remainers' unending conflict. Can the rug be pulled from beneath them? Hardly as only they can stop it themselves. That’s an interesting take on the situation - Anarchy in the UK? A few MPs are certainly Pretty Vacant.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 14 Oct 19 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's you who aren't serious. This has nothing to do with "remainers". It only is to do with Parliament, as a whole, not being prepared to accept a "no deal" or a deal they cannot be confident will work. Sure Corbyn is playing a bit of a game but he can hardly be regarded as a genuine remainer, or actually a genuine anything. He though isn't Parliament. Nevertheless I think we are stumbling towards some kind of "deal", probably after an extension and a GE. Unless, of course, Parliament decides to consult the people again and this time they have come to their senses and decide to give up the whole idea. Those circumstances are definitely possible, if unlikely. And what are most of Parliament? Remainers. You've summed up why people are p8ssed off there in a nutshell. They won't accept it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 10.20am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
What are these special circumstances? We are leaving the EU. No it's no buts , There are many "ifs and buts", although clearly many haven't yet, and may never, come to terms with that fact.The special circumstances are the fact that we haven't yet left as a consequence of our Parliament failing to find a way they can accept for us to leave. As that is their job we all have to wait until they do. If Parliament decide that they want to consult the people again then that's their decision. Your language is very arrogant like your view is the only right view. Referendums don't have winners or losers. That's a basic misconception held by many (including Farage) who believe that because the 2016 result showed a 52:48 preference in favour of leaving that they "won". Referendums have NO legal status in the UK. They are a way of "referring" a question to the people but ultimately it is always down to Parliament to take the action needed. Cameron made statements as the PM that indicated he was passing the decision to the people, but his words carried no legal status at all, because he wasn't Parliament, he was PM. Exactly the same as now Johnson cannot make legally binding statements. Only Parliament can do that. The parties committed to enact Article 50 and they did, but have since got themselves into a situation where no agreement is being found. It needs to be resolved but just how it will be is as yet unknown. One thing though is quite certain. Everyone has lost as a consequence of these divisions.
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| DANGERCLOSE London 14 Oct 19 10.35am |
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