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cryrst The garden of England 13 Oct 19 4.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If no deal was the choice then of course it would be accepted, both by me and I think by Parliament too. I don't though think that is the likely outcome. I think a "deal" which a new Parliament has negotiated and which meets all the red lines of the EU and protects us too, would romp home by a very large margin. Then a disconsolate Farage would be trotting home on three legs and ready for the knackers yard, and the ERG left with no-where to go. Why have a remain option then.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Oct 19 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If no deal was the choice then of course it would be accepted, both by me and I think by Parliament too. I don't though think that is the likely outcome. I think a "deal" which a new Parliament has negotiated and which meets all the red lines of the EU and protects us too, would romp home by a very large margin. Then a disconsolate Farage would be trotting home on three legs and ready for the knackers yard, and the ERG left with no-where to go. The more likely outcome there is that any party that foists a poor deal onto the people would be destroyed at the polls and probably put Brexit right back on the agenda. The EU already ruled out any kind of Norway deal and there is little point in paying the same amount for a trade deal as Britain pays at the moment, without having any say or control over standards, customs or indeed, movement. What I'm seeing here is one of those cake and eat it deals - which just is not going to happen- which is pie in the sky.
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 19 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All that MUST happen is for a deal to be made with the EU that Parliament as a whole can approve. Until something is presented and thoroughly evaluated we won't know if that is possible but it looks almost impossible to me by the deadline. No-one's doing any sabotage. They are doing their jobs. I think that is a quite deliberate tactic by Johnson to give Parliament no time for the thorough scrutiny needed, leaving them no option other than to refuse to accept it. It has nothing at all to do with "Remainers" in Parliament or outside, most of whom will accept a "deal" that protects our best interests but won't if it harms them. Many "Leavers" voted down Mrs May's deal and as the rumours are that this one has aspects that are worse then how they will respond is as yet unknown. You cannot be serious. The trouble is that no one will believe the majority of Remainers if they don't support a deal and then claim that it is because of anything other than party politics. What cannot happen under any cirumstances is no Brexit.
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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Oct 19 4.25pm | |
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Government of National Unity Much talk about building a consensus in Parliament amongst the opposition. They feel the Tories are divided and all over the place on Brexit. So how is the formation of the National unity government going, well they've been promising it would happen for the last couple of months. Remember The Tories are all over the place and only the opposition parties can save us. Lib Dems - Will not serve if Corbyn is PM they also want to abolish Brexit. SNP - Sturgeon has told Corbyn to forget even calling unless she gets her Indy2ref they of course don't want Brexit. Labour - Will only accept Corbyn as PM anything else is unacceptable. As for their Brexit policy, Corbyn has "his left leg in and his left leg out". Starmer has said we want a referendum Corbyn has said we don't Labour can't even agree amongst themselves let along with the other parties. Glad to see that the rest of them are so united and willing to compromise. Meanwhile I look forward to November 5. Update
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 6.03pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why have a remain option then. Because of the changed circumstances in which so many know so much more. In 2016 idea of an exit without a properly negotiated transitional arrangement wasn't even on the horizon, let alone the table. We haven't left yet, so as we have a chance to check how people feel about it now, and not about how they felt about then, some think we should. If you really believe in the will of the people being paramount then what have you to be worried about? I want Parliament to decide themselves but it seems that they may well decide to ask us all again. Whether we have a 3 choice referendum, or one just about how we leave, my money would all be on a "deal" being chosen, provided it is one that Parliament can agree upon, and that doesn't look to be very likely to happen yet.
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cryrst The garden of England 13 Oct 19 6.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because of the changed circumstances in which so many know so much more. In 2016 idea of an exit without a properly negotiated transitional arrangement wasn't even on the horizon, let alone the table. We haven't left yet, so as we have a chance to check how people feel about it now, and not about how they felt about then, some think we should. If you really believe in the will of the people being paramount then what have you to be worried about? I want Parliament to decide themselves but it seems that they may well decide to ask us all again. Whether we have a 3 choice referendum, or one just about how we leave, my money would all be on a "deal" being chosen, provided it is one that Parliament can agree upon, and that doesn't look to be very likely to happen yet. The will of the people being paramount.
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YT Oxford 13 Oct 19 6.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because of the changed circumstances in which so many know so much more. In 2016 idea of an exit without a properly negotiated transitional arrangement wasn't even on the horizon, let alone the table. We haven't left yet, so as we have a chance to check how people feel about it now, and not about how they felt about then, some think we should. If you really believe in the will of the people being paramount then what have you to be worried about? I want Parliament to decide themselves but it seems that they may well decide to ask us all again. Whether we have a 3 choice referendum, or one just about how we leave, my money would all be on a "deal" being chosen, provided it is one that Parliament can agree upon, and that doesn't look to be very likely to happen yet. You can't possibly have a referendum with 3 choices, because the two 'leave' options would dilute each other, therefore 'remain' could win with as little as 34%.
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 13 Oct 19 7.07pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
You can't possibly have a referendum with 3 choices, because the two 'leave' options would dilute each other, therefore 'remain' could win with as little as 34%. Oh don't start him off again FFS - "single transferable vote bla bla bla" zzzzzz
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YT Oxford 13 Oct 19 7.10pm | |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Oh don't start him off again FFS - "single transferable vote bla bla bla" zzzzzz Ah yes...that voting system that was rejected in another referendum!
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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 19 7.59pm | |
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Originally posted by YT
You can't possibly have a referendum with 3 choices, because the two 'leave' options would dilute each other, therefore 'remain' could win with as little as 34%. Perfectly acceptable in some people's world
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 8.38pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The more likely outcome there is that any party that foists a poor deal onto the people would be destroyed at the polls and probably put Brexit right back on the agenda. The EU already ruled out any kind of Norway deal and there is little point in paying the same amount for a trade deal as Britain pays at the moment, without having any say or control over standards, customs or indeed, movement. What I'm seeing here is one of those cake and eat it deals - which just is not going to happen- which is pie in the sky. When push comes to shove they will find a way, in my opinion a modified version of the May deal, including a backstop but with additional protections for worker's rights etc, that the opposition want. I don't see any "punishment" agenda by the EU although I could understand if that was partly a motive. I just don't see them them actually doing it. I see plenty of exasperation alongside bucket loads of patience.
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cryrst The garden of England 13 Oct 19 8.54pm | |
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You do realise that if this was a straight forward election for say two parties.
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