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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 19 10.35am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Mate on this thread alone you must be at about 20 “are you saying leavers are dumb” - it’s less of a chip, more of a whole potato at this point. It’s something which long pre-dates ‘Wissie’ getting involved on here. Since you believe I have a chip on my shoulder can I refer you to Maine Eagles most recent reply to one of my posts, I quote: Wow what a fool you truly are. They knew jacks* because jacks* was known at the time, dummy. Don’t seem to recall anyone talking about Northern Ireland in 2016. If you cannot understand that more is known about brexit today than was known in 2016, I fail to see how you are intelligent enough to cross the road without getting run over.
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Horsham 13 Oct 19 10.35am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Mate on this thread alone you must be at about 20 “are you saying leavers are dumb” - it’s less of a chip, more of a whole potato at this point.

It’s something which long pre-dates ‘Wissie’ getting involved on here.

Since you believe I have a chip on my shoulder can I refer you to Maine Eagles most recent reply to one of my posts, I quote:

Wow what a fool you truly are.

They knew jacks*** because jacks*** was known at the time, dummy.

Don’t seem to recall anyone talking about Northern Ireland in 2016.

If you cannot understand that more is known about brexit today than was known in 2016, I fail to see how you are intelligent enough to cross the road without getting run over.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Oct 19 10.36am
Originally posted by Spiderman Nice bloke aren't you! I knew quite a bit about the EU/NI and what Brexit would mean. I have had many dealings with EU related issues. In your eyes I may not be intelligent enough to cross the road but somehow you managed to cross the Atlantic, dummy WELL SAID. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Oct 19 10.36am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Nice bloke aren't you! I knew quite a bit about the EU/NI and what Brexit would mean. I have had many dealings with EU related issues. In your eyes I may not be intelligent enough to cross the road but somehow you managed to cross the Atlantic, dummy

WELL SAID.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.39am
Originally posted by cryrst So only a tiny majority is the important bit then. What if it was 70 30 to leave. In trying to heal a divided country the argument being put is that achieving a large majority is indeed important, whichever way the result goes. Would you have a different opinion of whether leaving was correct and would you back it wholeheartedly. Elections have put parties in charge by tiny majorities. Do they not count as they are only tiny. Watch labour if they get power change the voting rules to suit a minimum difference or you dont win. Changing the way our Parliament is elected would certainly be my preference to ensure that most of the people have a stake in it. That though is for the future. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.39am

Originally posted by cryrst

So only a tiny majority is the important bit then.
What if it was 70 30 to leave.

In trying to heal a divided country the argument being put is that achieving a large majority is indeed important, whichever way the result goes.

Would you have a different opinion of whether leaving was correct and would you back it wholeheartedly.
Elections have put parties in charge by tiny majorities.
Do they not count as they are only tiny.
Watch labour if they get power change the voting rules to suit a minimum difference or you dont win.

Changing the way our Parliament is elected would certainly be my preference to ensure that most of the people have a stake in it. That though is for the future.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.46am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Is there anyone one on this forum who voted leave not knowing what they voted for? And who on this forum is still happy with their leave vote knowing what they want? Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Oct 2019 3.48pm) On the first question, all of them. Anyone who claims otherwise is either being disingenuous or are in denial. No-one at all who voted in 2016 had all the information they needed. On the second question, all of them again, but that's just on this forum. It isn't in the country at large. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.46am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Is there anyone one on this forum who voted leave not knowing what they voted for? And who on this forum is still happy with their leave vote knowing what they want?

Edited by dannyboy1978 (12 Oct 2019 3.48pm)

On the first question, all of them. Anyone who claims otherwise is either being disingenuous or are in denial. No-one at all who voted in 2016 had all the information they needed. On the second question, all of them again, but that's just on this forum. It isn't in the country at large.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.52am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 In other words the people didn't vote in the way parliment wanted so parliment want to make the last dicision. And remoaners wonder why we are angry Parliament always makes the last decision. That's their job. They have triggered Article 50, thus meeting the commitments they gave but so far cannot agree the method by which they leave. A "no deal" wasn't on the table in 2016. The leave campaigns had said that finding a suitable exit arrangement would be a piece of cake. That it hasn't proved correct is not the fault of those who voted to remain. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.52am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

In other words the people didn't vote in the way parliment wanted so parliment want to make the last dicision. And remoaners wonder why we are angry

Parliament always makes the last decision. That's their job. They have triggered Article 50, thus meeting the commitments they gave but so far cannot agree the method by which they leave. A "no deal" wasn't on the table in 2016. The leave campaigns had said that finding a suitable exit arrangement would be a piece of cake. That it hasn't proved correct is not the fault of those who voted to remain.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Oct 19 10.52am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle On the first question, all of them. Anyone who claims otherwise is either being disingenuous or are in denial. No-one at all who voted in 2016 had all the information they needed. On the second question, all of them again, but that's just on this forum. It isn't in the country at large. I voted for UK independence from the EU I knew that there would be bumps in the road but it's up the parliament to sort out the detail. Anything less than independence is not what I voted for. Just because the EU is throwing up roadblocks to protect itself doesn't change my view in fact it makes me more determined that we should be independent. If you're going down the road that the vote is invalid because some aspects of us leaving are problematic then you should apply that logic to every general election. How many people who vote know the party manifesto in detail? They don't, they take a general view e.g. if you are concerned about public services your probably vote Labour the detail is up to the politicians. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Oct 19 10.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

On the first question, all of them. Anyone who claims otherwise is either being disingenuous or are in denial. No-one at all who voted in 2016 had all the information they needed. On the second question, all of them again, but that's just on this forum. It isn't in the country at large.

I voted for UK independence from the EU I knew that there would be bumps in the road but it's up the parliament to sort out the detail. Anything less than independence is not what I voted for. Just because the EU is throwing up roadblocks to protect itself doesn't change my view in fact it makes me more determined that we should be independent.

If you're going down the road that the vote is invalid because some aspects of us leaving are problematic then you should apply that logic to every general election. How many people who vote know the party manifesto in detail? They don't, they take a general view e.g. if you are concerned about public services your probably vote Labour the detail is up to the politicians.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.57am
Originally posted by Belmont I very rarely post as you may or may be aware but can I ask you a question, do you or do you not believe that parliament works on behalf of the people? Of course it does. If so the referendum has already established what the people want so they should deliver it, that to me is the whole basis of democracy. It isn't though the basis of our democracy. That rests in Parliament itself and not in the results of referendums. I won't labour the point as it's been covered by me many times but we don't send delegates to Parliament we send representatives. Those representatives met the commitments they gave when triggering Article 50, but have so far failed to find a method that a majority of them can accept. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 10.57am

Originally posted by Belmont

I very rarely post as you may or may be aware but can I ask you a question, do you or do you not believe that parliament works on behalf of the people?

Of course it does.

If so the referendum has already established what the people want so they should deliver it, that to me is the whole basis of democracy.

It isn't though the basis of our democracy. That rests in Parliament itself and not in the results of referendums. I won't labour the point as it's been covered by me many times but we don't send delegates to Parliament we send representatives. Those representatives met the commitments they gave when triggering Article 50, but have so far failed to find a method that a majority of them can accept.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.10am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle On the first question, all of them. Anyone who claims otherwise is either being disingenuous or are in denial. No-one at all who voted in 2016 had all the information they needed. On the second question, all of them again, but that's just on this forum. It isn't in the country at large. You are getting incredibly tiresome. How can you possibly know any of this? Total and utter arrogance
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Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.10am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are getting incredibly tiresome. How can you possibly know any of this? Total and utter arrogance

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 11.11am
Originally posted by Lyons550 Can't stand the guy myself but if you're seriously trying to deflect from the procrastination of the opposition instead accusing Johnson of the same you're more deluded than most others on here think you are. They're not procrastinating to get it right, they're doing so because they fear change. Nothing more nothing less, that's why after all the machinations around prorogation and getting back into parliament they spent the next TWO days arguing.... My remark was really aimed at the tactics of those behind him, which seem to be primarily designed by this Dominic Cummings guy. I think the aim is to get a GE in the coming month, having been forced to ask for an extension but able to present Johnson as a martyr who negotiated a "deal" which Parliament then again rejected. I think those tactics include stringing this out so that it gives Parliament no time to consider the detail. I don't think the opposition could be said to be procrastinating. Some, but not too many, are seeking political opportunity, which I regard as shameful at this time. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 19 11.11am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Can't stand the guy myself but if you're seriously trying to deflect from the procrastination of the opposition instead accusing Johnson of the same you're more deluded than most others on here think you are.

They're not procrastinating to get it right, they're doing so because they fear change. Nothing more nothing less, that's why after all the machinations around prorogation and getting back into parliament they spent the next TWO days arguing....

My remark was really aimed at the tactics of those behind him, which seem to be primarily designed by this Dominic Cummings guy. I think the aim is to get a GE in the coming month, having been forced to ask for an extension but able to present Johnson as a martyr who negotiated a "deal" which Parliament then again rejected. I think those tactics include stringing this out so that it gives Parliament no time to consider the detail. I don't think the opposition could be said to be procrastinating. Some, but not too many, are seeking political opportunity, which I regard as shameful at this time.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Maine Eagle USA 13 Oct 19 11.13am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Northern Ireland was repeatedly spoke about but over 60 million UK populations shouldn't Mean they are black mailed because of the tiny 1.8 million of northern Ireland Edited by dannyboy1978 (13 Oct 2019 7.54am) And here you show your callous and selfish world view. You would piss on the Good Friday agreement because your world is where you live and work, and you don’t care about people you cannot directly see on a daily basis. Perhaps you would understand if the IRA become active again and start bombing London? Must have missed all the talk of the NI backstop in 2016. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 13 Oct 19 11.13am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Northern Ireland was repeatedly spoke about but over 60 million UK populations shouldn't
Mean they are black mailed because of the tiny 1.8 million of northern Ireland

Edited by dannyboy1978 (13 Oct 2019 7.54am)

And here you show your callous and selfish world view.

You would piss on the Good Friday agreement because your world is where you live and work, and you don’t care about people you cannot directly see on a daily basis.

Perhaps you would understand if the IRA become active again and start bombing London?

Must have missed all the talk of the NI backstop in 2016.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.13am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Parliament always makes the last decision. That's their job. They have triggered Article 50, thus meeting the commitments they gave but so far cannot agree the method by which they leave. A "no deal" wasn't on the table in 2016. The leave campaigns had said that finding a suitable exit arrangement would be a piece of cake. That it hasn't proved correct is not the fault of those who voted to remain. Serious question. Are you sayng the remainers are blameless in Brexit not being delivered?
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Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.13am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Parliament always makes the last decision. That's their job. They have triggered Article 50, thus meeting the commitments they gave but so far cannot agree the method by which they leave. A "no deal" wasn't on the table in 2016. The leave campaigns had said that finding a suitable exit arrangement would be a piece of cake. That it hasn't proved correct is not the fault of those who voted to remain.

Serious question. Are you sayng the remainers are blameless in Brexit not being delivered?

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.15am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle And here you show your callous and selfish world view. You would piss on the Good Friday agreement because your world is where you live and work, and you don’t care about people you cannot directly see on a daily basis. Perhaps you would understand if the IRA become active again and start bombing London? Must have missed all the talk of the NI backstop in 2016. Bit like you and Brexit then
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Horsham 13 Oct 19 11.15am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

And here you show your callous and selfish world view.

You would piss on the Good Friday agreement because your world is where you live and work, and you don’t care about people you cannot directly see on a daily basis.

Perhaps you would understand if the IRA become active again and start bombing London?

Must have missed all the talk of the NI backstop in 2016.

Bit like you and Brexit then

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