As predicted Remainers are putting the blame solely on Johnson's head without a breath of criticism of the EU.

Question: when was the last time a prominent Remainer actually criticised the EU? Leavers criticise their side all the time and most of us are realistic to know that our politicians are far from perfect.

It would be nice just occasionally to hear an EU supporter voice the mildest of criticism of their side that maybe just maybe the EU could be a little more proactive?

Back to the issue in hand if the EU never wanted a deal then they have played a blinder. If however they do want a deal then it is not enough to keep saying to the UK government not good enough go away and came back with another idea. How about about making your own suggestions on what is acceptable other than the back stop which our Parliament has rejected 3 times.

Still all to play for but no deal looking increasingly likely.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2019 8.16am)

One more point

Smuggling hedges across the herbaceous border?

MP's should not be allowed to leave the Conservative Party for example, and then be allowed to be a Liberal Democrat MP. Their constituents voted them in as Conservative, not Lib Dem.

If they want to leave then fair enough, but they should wait until a general election and canvass votes for their new party before they can become an MP for them.

Under the current system Chuka Umunna is just an MP for hire.

Yeh, but just think of all that lovely cheap smuggled tarmac the 'travellers' will be able to bring in to do your driveway with.....

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Of course it is the hatred which underlies it but the partition of Ireland and the fight of the republicans to reunite the country has been the motivation for the violence. Reinstating a border whose lines have become more blurred is thought to be a threat to continuing peace by people close to the matter.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I tend to agree (which is weird in itself).

The only doubt I have with this reading of the situation is that Boris has said he will not ask for an extension under any circumstances. Brexiteers like myself will see this as a clear betrayal if he goes back on his words and he won't be forgiven. That would potentially open the door to a Corbyn or Farage government as the vote would be salami sliced.

Almost equally likely though is that as they are now so out of touch, they will vote through a highly compromised version of May's deal thinking that this will appease the country (it will not).

Can't see a no deal unless we extend and then Farage gets a majority so an extension may be the best bet for people who want rid of all the EU institutions.

Personally I would dissolve the union with Scotland which would immediately remove us from the EU, revoke all the terrible laws passed by Blair and give us billions back per year in tax revenue and reduced public spending. Also just to see the look on Blackford's face.