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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Feb 17 2.14pm
Originally posted by Username How? Are you going to make people become Doctors? Or more importantly, get them to stay in the country or the profession? 11% of all NHS staff and 26% of GPs were born outside of the United Kingdom. We're so short of quality Doctors and Nurses that we're desperate for more people to come here and help. What about teaching? We're losing tens of thousands of teachers a year and applications for training have also fallen I believe? source: [Link] As are 26% of the patients (allegedly). Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Feb 17 2.14pm

Originally posted by Username

How? Are you going to make people become Doctors? Or more importantly, get them to stay in the country or the profession?

11% of all NHS staff and 26% of GPs were born outside of the United Kingdom*. We're so short of quality Doctors and Nurses that we're desperate for more people to come here and help.

What about teaching? We're losing tens of thousands of teachers a year and applications for training have also fallen I believe?

*source: [Link]

As are 26% of the patients (allegedly).

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Username Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays When it falls to a level that actually requires governmental action I'll be more interested. Yeah, after all there is no sense in stopping the flood until it reaches your door right? Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When it falls to a level that actually requires governmental action I'll be more interested.

Yeah, after all there is no sense in stopping the flood until it reaches your door right?

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 17 2.15pm
The reality of Japan just smashes your whole....'we must continue with massive immigration' argument to pieces. Like I say, check out the interest rates on Japanese debt. Also....where is the critical thinking in continuing to increase a population by adding more than a quarter of a million people every year? So do immigrants who stay not get old too then? The whole concept is nothing more than a ponzi scheme...Is anyone in lefty land actually thinking clearly? The eventual answer would have to the Japanese system in the end anyway....Except in your system Britain has become meaningless. All you have supported is in creating a far more unhappy country. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2017 2.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Feb 17 2.15pm

The reality of Japan just smashes your whole....'we must continue with massive immigration' argument to pieces.

Like I say, check out the interest rates on Japanese debt.

Also....where is the critical thinking in continuing to increase a population by adding more than a quarter of a million people every year?

So do immigrants who stay not get old too then? The whole concept is nothing more than a ponzi scheme...Is anyone in lefty land actually thinking clearly?

The eventual answer would have to the Japanese system in the end anyway....Except in your system Britain has become meaningless.

All you have supported is in creating a far more unhappy country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2017 2.18pm)

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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 17 2.16pm
Originally posted by Username Yeah, after all there is no sense in stopping the flood until it reaches your door right? Oh believe me, if I were in charge the system would be radically different. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Feb 17 2.16pm

Originally posted by Username

Yeah, after all there is no sense in stopping the flood until it reaches your door right?

Oh believe me, if I were in charge the system would be radically different.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Feb 17 2.16pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You want to live in a dream fantasy world. So how would this Utopia cope with an ever-increasing ageing population and the need to keep a strong economy for tax revenue purposes to upkeep public services? Political will of the kind you want belongs to the far-right and we all know how constructive they are once they get their grubby mitts on a bit of power. Let reality bite you. It won't hurt. So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population? So what happens when those migrants get old? What happens when our infrastructure breaks down under sheer numbers? What happens when our politics is dominated by pandering to minorities? What happens if we go to war in the future and 30% of the population are against our aims and effectively the enemy? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm)
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Originally posted by Kermit8

You want to live in a dream fantasy world. So how would this Utopia cope with an ever-increasing ageing population and the need to keep a strong economy for tax revenue purposes to upkeep public services?

Political will of the kind you want belongs to the far-right and we all know how constructive they are once they get their grubby mitts on a bit of power.

Let reality bite you. It won't hurt.

So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population?

So what happens when those migrants get old?
What happens when our infrastructure breaks down under sheer numbers?
What happens when our politics is dominated by pandering to minorities?
What happens if we go to war in the future and 30% of the population are against our aims and effectively the enemy?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm)

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Username Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.17pm
Originally posted by mezzer As are 26% of the patients (allegedly). Based on? Immigrants make up 13% percent of the population, yet more than double that percentage in terms of Doctors. Anyway, a large majority of those foreign born people using the NHS will also be working, and paying taxes that contribute to it's running. [Link] Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.17pm

Originally posted by mezzer

As are 26% of the patients (allegedly).

Based on?

Immigrants make up 13% percent of the population, yet more than double that percentage in terms of Doctors.

Anyway, a large majority of those foreign born people using the NHS will also be working, and paying taxes that contribute to it's running.

[Link]

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Kermit8 Hevon 27 Feb 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population? So what happens when those migrants get old? What happens when our infrastructure breaks down under sheer numbers? What happens when our politics is dominated by pandering to minorities? What happens if we go to war in the future and 30% of the population are against our aims and effectively the enemy? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm) What happens when you stop putting words in people mouths? You will get a sensible reply, that's what. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 27 Feb 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm)

What happens when you stop putting words in people mouths?

You will get a sensible reply, that's what.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Feb 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Username Based on? Immigrants make up 13% percent of the population, yet more than double that percentage in terms of Doctors. Anyway, a large majority of those foreign born people using the NHS will also be working, and paying taxes that contribute to it's running. [Link] Just made it up like all the other statistics on here Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Feb 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Username

Based on?

Immigrants make up 13% percent of the population, yet more than double that percentage in terms of Doctors.

Anyway, a large majority of those foreign born people using the NHS will also be working, and paying taxes that contribute to it's running.

[Link]

Just made it up like all the other statistics on here

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Stirlingsays 27 Feb 17 2.28pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 EFL teachers opinions are not a good barometer. Japanese workers opinions are: [Link] You also have to factor in the reluctance of the polite Japanese population to complain. They still automatically defer to those who are 'superior' in title. btw Hiro, my b-in-law, is much better off in London and waaaaay less stressed. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Feb 2017 2.16pm) The stress in Japan is connected to their culture. It most definitely isn't connected to their economic lifestyle, which is amongst the highest in the world. They also have stated in surveys that they don't want large immigration.....they can see what it does to national cohesion I imagine. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Feb 17 2.28pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

EFL teachers opinions are not a good barometer. Japanese workers opinions are: [Link]

You also have to factor in the reluctance of the polite Japanese population to complain. They still automatically defer to those who are 'superior' in title.

btw Hiro, my b-in-law, is much better off in London and waaaaay less stressed.

Edited by Kermit8 (27 Feb 2017 2.16pm)

The stress in Japan is connected to their culture. It most definitely isn't connected to their economic lifestyle, which is amongst the highest in the world. They also have stated in surveys that they don't want large immigration.....they can see what it does to national cohesion I imagine.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Username Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population? So what happens when those migrants get old? What happens when our infrastructure breaks down under sheer numbers? What happens when our politics is dominated by pandering to minorities? What happens if we go to war in the future and 30% of the population are against our aims and effectively the enemy? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm) I mean, I'm honestly not sure why that is your major concern but... Firstly, that's pretty much an impossible scenario isn't it? For that to happen, the immigrant population would have to double while the UK born population remains the same. It also assumes that everyone not born here is on the same 'side'. So unless we've declared war on India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Poland, Turkey, Greece, China, Russia, Australia, Ireland, USA, France, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Colombia, Brazil, Portugal etc. all at the same time I don't see how it's relevant? Secondly, not everyone who isn't born here would be 'against us' anyway. Plenty of people come here and consider themselves British, their Children grow up as British etc. Thirdly, we fought two World Wars with an empire. In both World Wars, men and women from the entirety of the Commonwealth fought and died under a British flag. Would they not have been 'against us' then? Why would it be different now? Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So your solution is to allow an endless stream of migrants here to prop up the NHS and fund the aging population?

So what happens when those migrants get old?
What happens when our infrastructure breaks down under sheer numbers?
What happens when our politics is dominated by pandering to minorities?
What happens if we go to war in the future and 30% of the population are against our aims and effectively the enemy?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Feb 2017 2.17pm)

I mean, I'm honestly not sure why that is your major concern but...

Firstly, that's pretty much an impossible scenario isn't it? For that to happen, the immigrant population would have to double while the UK born population remains the same. It also assumes that everyone not born here is on the same 'side'. So unless we've declared war on India, pakistan, Bangladesh, Poland, Turkey, Greece, China, Russia, Australia, Ireland, USA, France, South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Colombia, Brazil, Portugal etc. all at the same time I don't see how it's relevant?

Secondly, not everyone who isn't born here would be 'against us' anyway. Plenty of people come here and consider themselves British, their Children grow up as British etc.

Thirdly, we fought two World Wars with an empire. In both World Wars, men and women from the entirety of the Commonwealth fought and died under a British flag. Would they not have been 'against us' then? Why would it be different now?

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Username Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.34pm
Originally posted by mezzer Just made it up like all the other statistics on here If you care to click either of the links I posted you can see my sources. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.
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Horsham 27 Feb 17 2.34pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Just made it up like all the other statistics on here

If you care to click either of the links I posted you can see my sources.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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Midlands Eagle 27 Feb 17 2.36pm
Originally posted by Username 11% of all NHS staff and 26% of GPs were born outside of the United Kingdom*. We're so short of quality Doctors and Nurses that we're desperate for more people to come here and help. I can't speak for doctors but as I mentioned weeks ago at the beginning of this thread I place some of the blame for the shortage of nurses at the feet of their professional body who have continually raised the educational bar for new nurses to such a high level that many people who would love to become nurses and have the right attributes cannot even get a foot in the door so we have to make up the shortage with nurses from abroad where educational standards are much lower. My wife is a staff nurse in a hospital and by all accounts she is a good one but if she had her time over again she wouldn't have the right educational qualifications to gain access to the profession whereas someone else with a degree in media studies would
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Originally posted by Username

11% of all NHS staff and 26% of GPs were born outside of the United Kingdom*. We're so short of quality Doctors and Nurses that we're desperate for more people to come here and help.

I can't speak for doctors but as I mentioned weeks ago at the beginning of this thread I place some of the blame for the shortage of nurses at the feet of their professional body who have continually raised the educational bar for new nurses to such a high level that many people who would love to become nurses and have the right attributes cannot even get a foot in the door so we have to make up the shortage with nurses from abroad where educational standards are much lower.

My wife is a staff nurse in a hospital and by all accounts she is a good one but if she had her time over again she wouldn't have the right educational qualifications to gain access to the profession whereas someone else with a degree in media studies would

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