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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 May 23 11.33pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Nissan appears sell set with its own battery factory built-in so to speak.

They were brought here by Mrs.T and Lord Cockfield of course the free trade agreement made by her is her greatest achievement imo.


I cannot decipher your post, my point was to demonstrate investment in UK automotive industry which I think I have done

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 May 23 11.36pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


He cannot be that much of a leftie if he loves the EU. One of the reasons the likes of Goldman Sachs and the corporations want us desperately back in the EU is that they see it as a bastion of bureaucracy that would stifle any attempts to bring about an entire slew of genuine left-wing policies in member states.

Corybn in 2017 scared the living daylights out of them.

Hence why they went into their kill plan of pushing the lunacy of the second referendum policy. One of the most fascinating 'leaks' was of the whats app group populated by many of the Blairites in the Labour Party in the aftermath of the 2017 election. Absolutely distraught about what Corybn achieved. And then a scary amount of them switching over the 'Peoples Vote' campaign leading to the defeat in 2019.

An absolute stitch-up of genuine 'House of Cards' levels of political s***housery.

Lefties in my definition do not need to be Corbynista extreme left
. Others may use the word differently. I view the Guardian as a left newspaper for example.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 23 2.24am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

What he actually says is the the post Brexit policies such as corporation tax are hindering the potential economic benefits, which I agree with. It's useless to align with EU tax rates if we can better them

Yep, once the EU decided to aggressively respond to Brexit, there were two choices: hard or soft Brexit.

Thanks to Cameron's filtering system of deliberately limiting the number of actual right wing conservatives within the Tory party as low as possible and selecting for and so maximising its left (who are just socially Lib Dems who like their house prices). The Tories were never that keen on hard brexit in the first place.

The public gave them a mandate that most of them didn't want to carry out.

If and when a hard Brexit line is taken we'll know whether it could succeed or not. Listening to the left is pointless as they wouldn't even recognise its success if it happened anyway....too busy sticking pins in their Tory dolls.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 May 23 11.56am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Lefties in my definition do not need to be Corbynista extreme left
. Others may use the word differently. I view the Guardian as a left newspaper for example.

What is extreme left about Corbyn?

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 May 23 2.54pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

In a nutshell, the UK has not become more competitive since brexit, rather the opposite, it is now the UKs own burdensome rules and regulations that are contributing to our poor performance and lack of growth.

Terra Firma Capital Partners Chairman and founder Guy Hands says the UK needs a post-Brexit bureaucratic and regulatory rollback to attract investment and encourage economic growth. "It's the British establishment which has managed to tie us all in knots, far more than the Europeans ever did'.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 18 May 23 3.03pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

In a nutshell, the UK has not become more competitive since brexit, rather the opposite, it is now the UKs own burdensome rules and regulations that are contributing to our poor performance and lack of growth.

Terra Firma Capital Partners Chairman and founder Guy Hands says the UK needs a post-Brexit bureaucratic and regulatory rollback to attract investment and encourage economic growth. "It's the British establishment which has managed to tie us all in knots, far more than the Europeans ever did'.

So it's in our own hands to untie the knots, something we could not do if we are in the EU.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 May 23 3.37pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

So it's in our own hands to untie the knots, something we could not do if we are in the EU.

Exactly our politicians can no longer pass the buck and blame the EU.

 


One more point

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 May 23 3.53pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I always knew that the British establishment, the civil servants would be far worse than the EU where we had forty years of experience and seamless trade.

'No-one treats you worse than your own'.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 May 23 5.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I always knew that the British establishment, the civil servants would be far worse than the EU where we had forty years of experience and seamless trade.

'No-one treats you worse than your own'.

I could write a book on the stupidity I have personally suffered from at the hands of civil servants in the last 5 years. Stupidity that has cost me a lump sum of £10,000, a promised refund of £3,500 that was then refused because they made an "error" in their advice, and then another £500 annually, until my last day.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 May 23 6.26pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I could write a book on the stupidity I have personally suffered from at the hands of civil servants in the last 5 years. Stupidity that has cost me a lump sum of £10,000, a promised refund of £3,500 that was then refused because they made an "error" in their advice, and then another £500 annually, until my last day.

Is this the injustice you have previously referred to?

I thought you were confident you would win?

Edited by Badger11 (18 May 2023 6.27pm)

 


One more point

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Matov Flag 18 May 23 6.36pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I always knew that the British establishment, the civil servants would be far worse than the EU where we had forty years of experience and seamless trade.

'No-one treats you worse than your own'.

I confess to not truly understanding the level of resistance in the British Establishment to us leaving. Sure, I expected them to throw a hissy fit but genuinely believed that given the nature of the referendum with each vote equally weighted and the incredible turn out, then they would acquiesce and fully get behind it.

Instead, we get this. And in the civil servants defence, I never really expected much out of them to be honest, not holding much of a high opinion before (with notable exceptions).

But to find out that the biggest enemy of Brexit has been the Conservative Party itself?

The biggest eye-opener of all time. Incredible to witness what is going on with them now.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 May 23 7.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

When the UK entered the EU we were nicknamed the “dirty man of Europe”.

Tough regulation and enforcement helped change that narrative, but the sewage scandal, and our government and regulators’ inability to properly hold the polluting water industry to account, has brought that shameful name back.

Leaving the EU just gave them licence to kill.


 

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