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 blackheatheagle  Beckenham 20 Jan 20 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I too blame the criminals. I just want to look beyond them to see if there is anything else we need to do. What downside can there possibly be in trying to do that? Just so long as it doesn't impact the criminal investigations in any way. I said I didn't have the answers. Just questions. I was just throwing out some initial ideas. On it's own a curfew wouldn't work. It could though perhaps be part of a wider strategy. Although I understand where you are coming from, for this case stressing the victim why she was in such an atmosphere (late night kebab shop etc) is a bit tricky start for the conversation. Unfortunately, due this culture, women are worthless. It is not hard to find justification at their end that the woman has not covered her head, skirt was short, it was late night at backstreet of a club etc. Practically, avoiding such an atmosphere can be short-term solution but long-term a generation will get used to fact that `woman should think twice` when they are going to night-club, when they wear an attractive dress etc..And that it a very dangerous route. Solution is stress all the beliefs which is against modern norms (gender equality, individual rights etc) and apply harsh punishment for the ones who practically act against it. I am not fan of Boris (in fact, don`t like him at all) but although it sounds provocative, his `letterbox` comment was a fair criticism for the mind-set which officially ignore and discriminates women in social life.
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| .TUX. 20 Jan 20 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your "solution" wasn't addressed to the problem I was trying to discuss. I specifically asked that you set that aside for the moment and address the societal problems in the background. You type too much.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 20 11.43pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
You type too much. Some don't read enough! They only see what they want to see. I type quickly and I try to explain things carefully. If they don't want to read it at all that's fine with me but if they do it would help if they tried to grasp things before responding.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jan 20 11.54pm |
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Originally posted by blackheatheagle
Although I understand where you are coming from, for this case stressing the victim why she was in such an atmosphere (late night kebab shop etc) is a bit tricky start for the conversation. Unfortunately, due this culture, women are worthless. It is not hard to find justification at their end that the woman has not covered her head, skirt was short, it was late night at backstreet of a club etc. Practically, avoiding such an atmosphere can be short-term solution but long-term a generation will get used to fact that `woman should think twice` when they are going to night-club, when they wear an attractive dress etc..And that it a very dangerous route. Solution is stress all the beliefs which is against modern norms (gender equality, individual rights etc) and apply harsh punishment for the ones who practically act against it. I am not fan of Boris (in fact, don`t like him at all) but although it sounds provocative, his `letterbox` comment was a fair criticism for the mind-set which officially ignore and discriminates women in social life. I was picking up on the idea of a "young teenage girl" being invited to a party by staff in a kebab shop. Not of any particular young lady but the general idea of kids being allowed to go to such places unaccompanied was what troubled me. Most on the answers, yours included, concentrate on the specifics whilst I am attempting to get behind them. I have no issue with your analysis or your suggestions to deal with it. We absolutely need to ensure everyone understands and follows our standards. That though wasn't the point I was raising.
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Teddy Eagle  21 Jan 20 12.57am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I was picking up on the idea of a "young teenage girl" being invited to a party by staff in a kebab shop. Not of any particular young lady but the general idea of kids being allowed to go to such places unaccompanied was what troubled me. Most on the answers, yours included, concentrate on the specifics whilst I am attempting to get behind them. I have no issue with your analysis or your suggestions to deal with it. We absolutely need to ensure everyone understands and follows our standards. That though wasn't the point I was raising. And what happens when people not only reject those standards but actively seek to change them? More education?
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cryrst  The garden of England 21 Jan 20 5.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Some don't read enough! They only see what they want to see. I type quickly and I try to explain things carefully. If they don't want to read it at all that's fine with me but if they do it would help if they tried to grasp things before responding. So a solution to prevent this happening in your world involves every person to be the perfect parent so not having to need a care system at all, which in turn would mean these kids dont need fostering,hence they wouldn't be of the mind set to make themselves a 'target' to these; how you say,
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| dannyboy1978 21 Jan 20 7.47am |
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This was 42 years ago yet the police ignored rape crimes in recent times. BBC News - Woman gang raped in Plymouth in 1978 wants attackers to face justice
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| Midlands Eagle 21 Jan 20 8.04am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
This was 42 years ago yet the police ignored rape crimes in recent times. BBC News - Woman gang raped in Plymouth in 1978 wants attackers to face justice Yet she didn't report the rape until 15 years later so what were the police supposed to do
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jan 20 9.08am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And what happens when people not only reject those standards but actively seek to change them? More education? If you read all I wrote then you will understand that I suggested that education has to be matched by sufficient deterrents to ensure those it fails to convince are controlled. We need both sticks and carrots for many problems. This is no different.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jan 20 9.16am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So a solution to prevent this happening in your world involves every person to be the perfect parent so not having to need a care system at all, which in turn would mean these kids dont need fostering,hence they wouldn't be of the mind set to make themselves a 'target' to these; how you say, Nothing of what you say is even remotely true. I know we have an imperfect world which isn't likely to improve and I already said just that. I am asking the question about what we, as a society, could do to help establish a background in which another problem, unrelated to the "grooming gangs" but still as potentially pervasive, would have less chance of becoming established. If you don't think that's important and have nothing to contribute other than insults to me, that's OK. Others might.
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| Teddy Eagle 21 Jan 20 9.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you read all I wrote then you will understand that I suggested that education has to be matched by sufficient deterrents to ensure those it fails to convince are controlled. We need both sticks and carrots for many problems. This is no different. You miss my point. If anyone needs to be taught that wholesale abuse of young girls is wrong then what’s the point? They don’t need to be taught it’s wrong.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jan 20 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You miss my point. If anyone needs to be taught that wholesale abuse of young girls is wrong then what’s the point? They don’t need to be taught it’s wrong. It seems some haven't yet either learned or accepted that. We know it's wrong, just as we know Palace are a better club than Brighton, but if you have grown up in a culture which indoctrinates you then you need the truth to be shown to you. Those unable or unwilling to accept that is the truth, in our culture, will need the stick approach.
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