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georgenorman 19 Apr 23 10.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is a huge relief to put this off for a year, possibly it is just not ready. But things are difficult enough already. Van Leyden clearly sensitive to Britain having second thoughts. Dream on.
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georgenorman

19 Apr 23 10.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is a huge relief to put this off for a year, possibly it is just not ready.

But things are difficult enough already.

Van Leyden clearly sensitive to Britain having second thoughts.

Dream on.

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nead1 19 Apr 23 10.03pm
I agree with you and its interesting to note the warm words spoken a number of times by Von Der Leyen in recent weeks including today at Queens University. I suspect the issue is primarily that they feel they can at last trust a British PM and are certain that it will be either Sunak or Starmer for the foreseeable future both of whom they can do business with. My best guess is that the traction will be economic in nature starting with some loosening of the barriers to trade created by the Johnson/Frost agreement and maybe gradually extending into membership of the single mkt. As an aside, I can quite understand Starmer's caution re the EU before an election where his number one priority is to get elected. Beyond that however, I suspect he might well be a lot more radical than people think including in relations with the EU. He, Hunt/Sunak well recognise the economic damage being done by the nonsense so often spouted by Johnson, Frost and Truss with their absurd notions of so called sovereignty.
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19 Apr 23 10.03pm

I agree with you and its interesting to note the warm words spoken a number of times by Von Der Leyen in recent weeks including today at Queens University.
I suspect the issue is primarily that they feel they can at last trust a British PM and are certain that it will be either Sunak or Starmer for the foreseeable future both of whom they can do business with.
My best guess is that the traction will be economic in nature starting with some loosening of the barriers to trade created by the Johnson/Frost agreement and maybe gradually extending into membership of the single mkt.
As an aside, I can quite understand Starmer's caution re the EU before an election where his number one priority is to get elected. Beyond that however, I suspect he might well be a lot more radical than people think including in relations with the EU. He, Hunt/Sunak well recognise the economic damage being done by the nonsense so often spouted by Johnson, Frost and Truss with their absurd notions of so called sovereignty.

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Teddy Eagle 19 Apr 23 10.06pm
Will the EU survive? [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

19 Apr 23 10.06pm

Will the EU survive?

[Link]

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Apr 23 10.38pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Will the EU survive? [Link] That's over 3 years old. Nobody wants to emulate brexit, that's for sure.
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Croydon 19 Apr 23 10.38pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Will the EU survive?

[Link]

That's over 3 years old.

Nobody wants to emulate brexit, that's for sure.

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Mapletree Croydon 19 Apr 23 10.45pm
Originally posted by georgenorman I think you are quoting their figure for 2016-2019, after the Leave vote. When we were full members we paid around £18 billion a year gross. Whereas I was quoting net. Gross means nothing. Average net from 2014 to 2018 was £7.8 bn. Edited by Mapletree (19 Apr 2023 10.46pm)
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Croydon 19 Apr 23 10.45pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I think you are quoting their figure for 2016-2019, after the Leave vote. When we were full members we paid around £18 billion a year gross.

Whereas I was quoting net. Gross means nothing. Average net from 2014 to 2018 was £7.8 bn.

Edited by Mapletree (19 Apr 2023 10.46pm)

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Teddy Eagle 19 Apr 23 11.00pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 That's over 3 years old. Nobody wants to emulate brexit, that's for sure. So? It's more about the EU collapsing than anyone wanting to leave.
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Teddy Eagle

19 Apr 23 11.00pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's over 3 years old.

Nobody wants to emulate brexit, that's for sure.

So? It's more about the EU collapsing than anyone wanting to leave.

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georgenorman 20 Apr 23 7.11am
Originally posted by Mapletree Whereas I was quoting net. Gross means nothing. Average net from 2014 to 2018 was £7.8 bn. Edited by Mapletree (19 Apr 2023 10.46pm) UK Parliament Library says it was an average of c£7.5 net 2016-1019 but £12.6 billion net in our final year of contributions in 2020. There seem to be many different figures available - whichever is exactly right, it is LOADS OF MONEY!
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georgenorman

20 Apr 23 7.11am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Whereas I was quoting net. Gross means nothing. Average net from 2014 to 2018 was £7.8 bn.

Edited by Mapletree (19 Apr 2023 10.46pm)

UK Parliament Library says it was an average of c£7.5 net 2016-1019 but £12.6 billion net in our final year of contributions in 2020. There seem to be many different figures available - whichever is exactly right, it is LOADS OF MONEY!

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georgenorman 20 Apr 23 7.14am
Originally posted by nead1 I agree with you and its interesting to note the warm words spoken a number of times by Von Der Leyen in recent weeks including today at Queens University. I suspect the issue is primarily that they feel they can at last trust a British PM and are certain that it will be either Sunak or Starmer for the foreseeable future both of whom they can do business with. My best guess is that the traction will be economic in nature starting with some loosening of the barriers to trade created by the Johnson/Frost agreement and maybe gradually extending into membership of the single mkt. As an aside, I can quite understand Starmer's caution re the EU before an election where his number one priority is to get elected. Beyond that however, I suspect he might well be a lot more radical than people think including in relations with the EU. He, Hunt/Sunak well recognise the economic damage being done by the nonsense so often spouted by Johnson, Frost and Truss with their absurd notions of so called sovereignty. Sovereignty is absurd then!! The majority who voted to leave the EU didn't think so - they wanted to live in a parliamentary democracy where they could vote for or against those that make the laws that govern them. Your portrayal of every economic ill in the country being due to Brexit is what is absurd.
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georgenorman

20 Apr 23 7.14am

Originally posted by nead1

Sovereignty is absurd then!!

The majority who voted to leave the EU didn't think so - they wanted to live in a parliamentary democracy where they could vote for or against those that make the laws that govern them.

Your portrayal of every economic ill in the country being due to Brexit is what is absurd.

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nead1 20 Apr 23 10.51am
Your views on the democratic institutions of the EU are well known and have been debated many times. Let's just say we have very different perspectives. Actually, if you read what I wrote it did not say every economic ill was due to Brexit; however, the significant impact is undeniable and of no surprise given, for example, the trade barriers that have been erected with our closest trading partner. Indeed, just look at the recent trade figures as an example.
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nead1

20 Apr 23 10.51am

Your views on the democratic institutions of the EU are well known and have been debated many times. Let's just say we have very different perspectives.

Actually, if you read what I wrote it did not say every economic ill was due to Brexit; however, the significant impact is undeniable and of no surprise given, for example, the trade barriers that have been erected with our closest trading partner. Indeed, just look at the recent trade figures as an example.

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georgenorman 20 Apr 23 11.06am
Originally posted by nead1 Your views on the democratic institutions of the EU are well known and have been debated many times. Let's just say we have very different perspectives. Actually, if you read what I wrote it did not say every economic ill was due to Brexit; however, the significant impact is undeniable and of no surprise given, for example, the trade barriers that have been erected with our closest trading partner. Indeed, just look at the recent trade figures as an example. It's guesswork to identify exactly what the economic impact of Brexit is given the effects of the pandemic, Ukraine and worldwide inflation. Electing those that make your laws is a fundamental of democracies. Certainly there are trade barriers - imposed by the protectionist, price-rigging, racketeering EU.
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georgenorman

20 Apr 23 11.06am

Originally posted by nead1

Your views on the democratic institutions of the EU are well known and have been debated many times. Let's just say we have very different perspectives.

It's guesswork to identify exactly what the economic impact of Brexit is given the effects of the pandemic, Ukraine and worldwide inflation.

Electing those that make your laws is a fundamental of democracies.

Certainly there are trade barriers - imposed by the protectionist, price-rigging, racketeering EU.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 7.49pm
Originally posted by the silurian hahaha....dream on!! Just in case anyone doubted me, I provided the receipt for my cruise by private message to the above member, and have received an apology for him "doubting me". I requested he put the record straight here, but he declined. So I have. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 20 Apr 23 7.49pm

Originally posted by the silurian

hahaha....dream on!!

Just in case anyone doubted me, I provided the receipt for my cruise by private message to the above member, and have received an apology for him "doubting me".

I requested he put the record straight here, but he declined. So I have.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 20 Apr 23 8.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Just in case anyone doubted me, I provided the receipt for my cruise by private message to the above member, and have received an apology for him "doubting me". I requested he put the record straight here, but he declined. So I have. Yep I did apologise.for my little joke...to keep the peace...why should I apologise on the open forum? just to make you feel better? If youre that insecure, well, shame! You got your apology, leave it at that!!! PS I had my fingers crossed when I apologised !! Lol Edited by the silurian (20 Apr 2023 8.50pm)
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the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 20 Apr 23 8.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Just in case anyone doubted me, I provided the receipt for my cruise by private message to the above member, and have received an apology for him "doubting me".

I requested he put the record straight here, but he declined. So I have.

Yep I did apologise.for my little joke...to keep the peace...why should I apologise on the open forum? just to make you feel better? If youre that insecure, well, shame! You got your apology, leave it at that!!!

PS I had my fingers crossed when I apologised !! Lol

Edited by the silurian (20 Apr 2023 8.50pm)

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