People need to start loosing their jobs and being taking account for.

if your young teenage daughter was buying a kebab and was 'invited to a party' by the staff, how would you react ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

The stuff coming out now has been said on this forum for years.

Yet it's being told to the mainstream normies many years after the event....many.

I'm waiting for justice to be enacted for these criminal institutional policies of inaction.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I would want to know how and why she was even in there in the first place! No young teenage daughter of mine would ever have been left unsupervised in such circumstances. In fact I cannot imagine any circumstances when they would have been left at risk to themselves. Maybe I am just naive, or old fashioned, and my children certainly thought I was too "strict", but going to fast food outlets on their own was a no no until their mid teens at the earliest.

Which raises another question. Before anyone jumps down my throat let me emphasise this is not any kind of excuse for anybody. Either the perpetrators or the responsible authorities. Putting those questions aside for a moment it puzzles that so many very young girls seem to have been left unsupervised and able to be mistreated in the way they were.

I realise that many families today are far from a rosey chocolate box ideal of Mum, Dad and 2.4 children with Granny and Grandad around the corner. Nevertheless, should we not be asking if the social problems that this causes has contributed to the problem and, if so, whether we ought to be doing more to try to mitigate it?

Has the breakdown of the traditional family unit provided the background into which this evil has inserted itself? Is the increased incidence of child gangs and knife crime another manifestation with a similar source?

After school clubs, scouts and youth groups could help but if only if made compulsory.

I don't have answers. I only have questions. I know we cannot turn the clock back but these are real issues which do demand answers.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I asked that we set that aside for the moment and that I was not in any way seeking to excuse anyone.

What I am asking is whether we as a society need to look at the conditions which allowed these girls to be put in such danger?

Is there anything we can do which would help?

Not those who have already been harmed but those in the future who may face other threats from other sources. If children are left in a vulnerable situation then the chances of harm is obviously greater.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Yeah, it's almost as though people need to look at what the causes of familial breakdown are don't they?.....But perhaps, the supporters of social liberalism aren't the people who have a leg to stand on regarding these matters.

Like asking a lion how to promote an increase in vegetarianism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2020 11.57am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)