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 Mapletree  Croydon 18 Apr 23 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You of course ignore the £13-£17 billion a year we save in not contributing to the EU so called budget, along with the savings in not having to deal with unlimited immigration from Europe. No, the economists do not. According to the commons library £7bn but hey, what’s £10bn either way
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| footythoughts Beckenham 18 Apr 23 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the cap fits are you affected then? Show facts and evidence, without using statements from financial institutions whom never wanted brexit anyway. I've had the best three years financially of my life, but that's specific to my line of work and not something anyone would know in real life and it would seem tactless to disclose. To take your door to door type tack I may add that my personal experience is far removed of the experience and stated struggles of most people that I know. For all intents and purposes a massive number of people are struggling financially. That's likely due to a multitude of factors, covid, brexit process, government incompetence. Hopefully in time, we'll get back on track, though its certainly a depressing time for many.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 23 11.02pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Where, what posts? Implying something isn’t the same as stating it. You read something that wasn’t and isn’t there! Go on admit it wissie, you were wrong At 7.05 am yesterday this was posted:- "So REjoin promises that by rejoining we will cut our cost of living??? Strange, seeing as I live in the EU and prices of everything have risen massively, so how will rejoining cut costs??" I didn't read it and never claimed to have done so. I said it was implied. You are confusing chalk with cheese. I don't speak for "Rejoin" so don't try to defend their claim. I do though sense an implication there, in the question asked. Maybe you don't, but in subsequent posts that implication has pretty clearly been confirmed as an accurate assumption. What I have done is try to provide authoritative comparative statistics from all over the EU and the UK. Who knows whether rejoining will cut our costs? No one can foresee the future but if I was a betting man I would bet it would. Bigger markets tend to do that. Our supply chains would surely be more secure.
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cryrst  The garden of England 19 Apr 23 5.33am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
I've had the best three years financially of my life, but that's specific to my line of work and not something anyone would know in real life and it would seem tactless to disclose. To take your door to door type tack I may add that my personal experience is far removed of the experience and stated struggles of most people that I know. For all intents and purposes a massive number of people are struggling financially. That's likely due to a multitude of factors, covid, brexit process, government incompetence. Hopefully in time, we'll get back on track, though its certainly a depressing time for many. You know some very unlucky people then as most people I know haven’t even noticed, apart from price rises which data proves is pretty much worldwide.!
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 georgenorman 19 Apr 23 6.46am |
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Originally posted by footythoughts
The options realistically are a two party system that's relatively easy to control by those with significant financial and power sway. Or a PR option that at least means the public views, whatever they are, are accurately reflected in parliament. Representative. That would then mean compromise, but it would throw up enough variations that it'd be harder to control by those who previously influenced. Of course some also have time for fascist parties who disregard the public voice, as a way of bringing about their preferred society. That speaks to the gutter level of their views and conduct though, rather than something fit for the country at large. What would you preference be, I'm guessing a begrudged acceptance of the current system, with a hope that people will make better choices going forward? In general I would like far less government, we are over-governed and over-taxed. Much of what government does is incompetent, wasteful, futile and, at times, downright damaging. A major benefit of leaving the EU was the removal of a massive layer of government. New parties can emerge and grow under the first past the post system, the Labour party originally did and the likes of the SDP and UKIP made great strides. PR allowed such extremes as the BNP to get elected to the (albeit powerless) EU parliament along with far-left extremists in other countries. It has also allowed the Greens to prosper – some of whom can be considered extremists. PR also tends to lead to endless chaotic coalitions, as in Italy, or the junior party becoming the major party’s lap-dog as in the Cameron-Clegg era.
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| georgenorman 19 Apr 23 7.30am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No, the economists do not. According to the commons library £7bn but hey, what’s £10bn either way I think you are quoting their figure for 2016-2019, after the Leave vote. When we were full members we paid around £18 billion a year gross.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Apr 23 7.51am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Where, what posts? Implying something isn’t the same as stating it. You read something that wasn’t and isn’t there! Go on admit it wissie, you were wrong He will NEVER admit to being wrong EVER!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Apr 23 7.56am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Even you must be able to see quite how ridiculous that comment is. It's not me that's superior! It is the statistics gathered from accurate sampling of many sources that are superior to two cups of coffee. All I said was 'the only thing thats not gone mentally expensive is coffee (probably because the French would start a riot if it did)......didnt say that proves anything.....all I do know is that everything else is going up weekly, sometimes daily. I live in the EU so dont tell me prices in France arent going up just like in the UK......maybe in sleepy Truro they arent but here in France they are rising fast....
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Apr 23 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the cap fits are you affected then? Show facts and evidence, without using statements from financial institutions whom never wanted brexit anyway. Oh btw me and mine voted remain, you on the other hand !!! This has given me a much needed laugh.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 23 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
All I said was 'the only thing thats not gone mentally expensive is coffee (probably because the French would start a riot if it did)......didnt say that proves anything.....all I do know is that everything else is going up weekly, sometimes daily. I live in the EU so dont tell me prices in France arent going up just like in the UK......maybe in sleepy Truro they arent but here in France they are rising fast.... That's the whole point isn't it! Prices are going up. EVERYWHERE! Just because you are experiencing it doesn't mean zilch. Which is why I provided genuine comparative statistics. Anyone can pull individual examples out of the sky and point to them, but they don't add up to anything meaningful.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 19 Apr 23 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's the whole point isn't it! Prices are going up. EVERYWHERE! Just because you are experiencing it doesn't mean zilch. Which is why I provided genuine comparative statistics. Anyone can pull individual examples out of the sky and point to them, but they don't add up to anything meaningful. Ok Mr Superior Being I give up!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Apr 23 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
He will NEVER admit to being wrong EVER! Untrue. I readily admit it when I am wrong. For instance, I used to think that one day you would post something interesting and accurate, but, so far at least, I have been wrong about that.
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