From what I've read Kaepernick wasn't being picked to play regularly anyway. If his virtue signalling has made him unpopular well....them the breaks.

As for your suggestion that this was some kind of small issue before Trump raised this....what planet are you on? This has been big in America since it happened. Trump just threw red meat to his base......The democrats will continue to defend not standing for the anthem....It's an easy win for him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2017 12.42am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's hardly a great career move for them, so the money aspect is neither here nor there. The first person to do this hasn't been touched with a bargepole since he exercised this freedom of expression, something that matters to you like an on/off switch. As per usual, since you've deemed this to be about dreaded minorities and the left, you're on the attack and as stated and proved again and again, display a complete lack of attachment to the individuals involved, mocking them. Much in the same way that you shrug at neo nazi types or claim to not know what ELD stand for. 'Oh I'm unfamiliar with them'. Yes because you very selectively care about things based about your own prjeudices.

Of course when it was a worker at Google, you were practically losing your mind over it, saying how you'd boycott google and how terrible it all was. Not a peep about how he was likely quite well off due to his job. Not mocking him. That all suddenly changes now though of course. I attacked both googles decision and said the guy should sue, and in this case defended these players too, yes because I don't think expressing themselves should lead to sidelining, threats and insults from a president and I think there is room for saying that, rather than pumping out your one sided approach to fairness and treatment of others.

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I disagree with Kaepernick's mode of protest. So I criticise and mock it, sure....boo hoo.

Shrug at neo Nazis....no you are just engaging in demonisation for your own little fantasy. Ok, listen very carefully....cause despite having said this multiple times you don't appear to be able to catch this....So I repeat it once again.

Neo Nazis are bad....Get that? I'm fine with protesting Nazis. Detect any 'shrugging of the shoulders' there. Willing to actually take that in...Or does it conflict with your narrative about me too much.....I know the problems you have with face value....unless it's yourself of course.

Kaepernick wasn't playing regularly before anyway. This was his choice. People have a right to disagree with him. Trump's throwing red meat to his base where the Democrats end up supporting kneeing for the flag...easy win for him at a time where getting his policies through has been frustrated.

As for the EDL, I've read their mission statement and I find nothing wrong with it at all. Read it yourself and tell me what aspect of it is bad and we can debate it. I looked at them after Jamie raised them in a thread.

I don't know the EDL....another face value statement which you may find difficult to accept. From Youtube clips after Nick's silly catcalling I'm aware that the EDL attract members who go beyond what that mission statement says and that's a problem....but are you calling the EDL neo nazis here?

As for your 'you very selectively care about things based about your own prejudices.' Well, yes and no.....To an extent everyone is like that. We all see the world through the prism of our prejudices. But I also defend principles that are universal. So your charge here is moot.

I'm glad we agree over Damore. However, if you truly are concerned about a 'one sided approach to fairness and treatment of others' perhaps you should reflect upon how you yourself engage with those who disagree with you yourself.

For myself I tend to try to match the nature of the engagement. So if someone's genuine about a discussion of ideas then that's what happens. If it's abuse then it's abuse back.

You appear to be a progressive but on the more liberal side. I'm anti modern progressivism so we can argue about that, but where you are liberal I mostly agree.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2017 1.40am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Oh it's the 'mode of protest' that's the problem for you now is it. Well I never . I think perhaps my ideas of freedom of speech and expression are a little less malleable than that. As I said, if I can put up with a president calling players 'sons of bitches' or one of his messengers saying that they're lucky to not be 'shot in the head', I think I can somehow avoid getting overly critical or into a panic over players taking a knee in a 'peaceful' protest. Emphasis is a confession of character. Unfortunately.

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I'm aware that I annoy you and that our views on some areas are pretty divergent.....but to be honest I tend to like liberals even if my attachment to liberalism is dependent upon the area of discussion. But liberalism, in general, is a vital building block for secular societies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2017 2.20am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)