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.TUX. 24 Mar 17 5.44am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I use the term loosely! It was not an altogether serious post. I quite accept that there are conspiracy theorists on what are called the left and right. Although the idea that Capitalism is a giant conspiracy against the workers is widespread among the left. Capitalism in it's true form is ideal but the current system that we have had forced upon us (for a long while now) is far from that.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Mar 17 7.32am | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Capitalism in it's true form is ideal but the current system that we have had forced upon us (for a long while now) is far from that. So you do think Capitalism is a conspiracy against the workers? What is its 'true form' by the way.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Mar 17 7.58am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Killer was born Adrian Elms according to the news just now... So we have another person of West Indian heritage converting to Islam and carrying out terrorist acts. Similar of course to the Lee Rigby murderers and one of the 7/7 terrorists. But of course the head in the sand, or head up somewhere else, liberal left, will continue to tell us that these sort of events have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam or ethnicity. Oh, and that mass immigration and multi-culturalism is an unmitigated blessings and that we need more of it. Edited by hedgehog50 (24 Mar 2017 8.00am)
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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Mar 17 8.17am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So we have another person of West Indian heritage converting to Islam and carrying out terrorist acts. Similar of course to the Lee Rigby murderers and one of the 7/7 terrorists. But of course the head in the sand, or head up somewhere else, liberal left, will continue to tell us that these sort of events have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam or ethnicity. Oh, and that mass immigration and multi-culturalism is an unmitigated blessings and that we need more of it. Edited by hedgehog50 (24 Mar 2017 8.00am) Gotta agree with that. All known terrorists past and prest are either black or arab. Well said Hedgehog. Apart from the IRA, ETA, Baader-Meinhoff Gang, FARC, Pablo Escobar, UDA, UVF, Sons of Glendwyr, NLF Corsica, 17th November Group Greece, Timothy McVeigh, Aryan Nation, The Weathermen, etc, etc, etc.
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.TUX. 24 Mar 17 8.24am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So you do think Capitalism is a conspiracy against the workers? What is its 'true form' by the way. We do not have a capitalist system, it's a myth.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Mar 17 9.07am | |
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davenotamonkey 24 Mar 17 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Lives will be lost whatever approach you take. What is plainly the case is that the approach now is to bury our heads in the sand and do nothing. Muslims as a percentage of the population will just continue to increase and hence the number of radicals and activists. Taking action offends the sensibilities of so called 'nice' people even though random civilians will have to pay for this inaction with their lives. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2017 3.49am) Completely unfair statement. There's plenty being done. Canada just moved a step closer to a blasphemy law based on an ill-defined buzzword. It's heartening to know that an "irrational" (as all phobias) fear of a violent ideology (that is after all only a minor going concern in international terrorism) is now in the target-sights of the progressive liberal political elites. While the bodies are still warm in London. I would say, frankly, the fear of being party to a mass terror event, at the hands of home-grown or imported Islamofascists (see? we can make words too, except ours are much less ambiguous) is entirely rational, given the demographic shifts, high degree of ghettoisation and "Mutti-Merkel's Millions" currently arriving by the enrichment-load. I thank our governments for letting the genie out of the bottle. Past comparisons to the IRA are entirely false analogies. The IRA had an aim that would not culminate in the destruction of Western civilisation, nor was the support group it could draw from in any way comparable.
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davenotamonkey 24 Mar 17 9.31am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Gotta agree with that. All known terrorists past and prest are either black or arab. Well said Hedgehog. Apart from the IRA, ETA, Baader-Meinhoff Gang, FARC, Pablo Escobar, UDA, UVF, Sons of Glendwyr, NLF Corsica, 17th November Group Greece, Timothy McVeigh, Aryan Nation, The Weathermen, etc, etc, etc. Could you tell me how many fatalities there have been from your hand-picked group there, say in the past 10 years? I'd like to know how much of a threat these groups are relative to the religion of peace. Newsflash: it is now current year. The IRA are no longer killing people. I'd rather the intelligence services focus on current problems than those of the past. I'd rather the intelligence services concentrate on threats based on risk (a combination of severity and likelihood) rather than uniquely what demographic they hail from, unless the two correlate strongly. I'm pretty sure McVeigh isn't a threat at present. You're completely correct though. The vast majority of adherents to what is currently the most dangerous terrorist group is overwhelmingly, obviously (and demonstrably so, by analysis of incidents ascribed to them over the past 10+ years) white Norwegians, of the mentally-ill, lone-wolf variety. So if we need to profile the likely perpetrator of terror attacks in 2017, a good place to start is white, pale skin. Idiot. Edited by davenotamonkey (24 Mar 2017 9.33am)
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DanH SW2 24 Mar 17 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, our services have been effective up to now....and they have also been lucky.....luck is always a factor. But I'm sure you are aware that certain oh so helpful individuals...very likely to be of the left persuasion have recently just released the surveillance methods of the security services all over the Internet. Radicals can now study those methods and take future precautions. Those who want to protect your liberty are also apparently not that bothered about the negative consequences.....They have probably increased the likely success chances of organised terrorism. So genuinely, what would your solution be?
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thegreatlardino crawley/selsey 24 Mar 17 10.14am | |
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i think in the short term at least there isnt a solution, cant imagine in all the scenarios that the security forces go through, that near the top would be one where a 52yr old male who lived in birmingham, rented a car drove down to brighton stayed there then drove over westminster bridge on the pavement ignoring the daily mail type rhetoric, we as the west need to find a way of stopping these people being radicalised
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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 17 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
So genuinely, what would your solution be? The Islamic population has doubled in size extremely quickly....immigration and birth rates being the main factor. The harsh reality is that Islam cannot be allowed to increase as a percentage of the population beyond a set number....say ten percent....There are examples all around the world of countries that didn't limit the expansion of this religion and they are now Muslim majority countries...the Lebanon is a good example....As the Islamic population increased the Christian, secular and Jewish emigration rates out of the country increased....Now it is an Islamic majority country and that demographic is continuing to increase....Look at the demographics in middle eastern countries that in previous centuries had better diversity....now you have Islamic percentages in the nineties as all religions or creeds other than Islam are banned from schools or preaching to expand. Shut down all religious schools....of all types actually. If the bulls aren't taken by the horns then we are just continuing to store up huge problems mostly for our children to fight.
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Stirlingsays 24 Mar 17 10.21am | |
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Hard times create strong men. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2017 10.40am)
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