This is the main reason why ordinary people are entertaining voting for such a character as Trump. They, like Brexit voters, are sick and tired of the way our societies are going. The interests of the majority are being sacrificed.

The latest mantra from the liberal/left.

The "facts" you are interested in clearly differ from the majority. I believe the correct term is denial.

Dan... Brexit has shown up so called research/scientific/fact based evidence from the so called "Eminent Economists" once again, just as I predicted it would looking at their forecasts of doom for the £ v Euro debate.

They told us that markets would be in turmoil immediately due to the uncertainty. Yes the £ dropped in value and for a few days the FTSE100 was down.

But 3 months in the £ devaluing is helping our exports and the FTSE100 is nearly at an all time high.

I'd say commonsense and rationale prevails.

It makes more sense to me to close our borders and regain our sovereignty rather than opening the door wider and allowing unelected bureaucrats to govern us.

Still... the full effects of Brexit are yet to be tested so calling it good or bad at this stage is premature.

Lets revisit this next march/april after we have invoked article 50.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Oct 2016 12.48pm)

I love the fact there is no middle ground. I think its pretty clear that there are significant gender, racial and policing issues, that need to be addressed but there is always the 'na-na-na' if I don't listen it can't be real.

They're also determinable inequalities that can be scientifically demonstrated.

Granted no one should feel guilty for being in the majority, but they also need to understand that there are significant issues around these subjects. Whilst I don't subscribe to the 'accept everything', just ignoring issues and groups in society, because they're in the minority, is equally absurd.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Depends, on whether the facts are correct or not. I've seen a lot of research, including the governments own, that demonstrates that women and racial groups experience a significantly determined degree of prejudice in terms of employment, wages, legal treatment from law enforcement and so on.

Granted, Black Lives have it wrong, they're not singled out specifically for more aggressive policing specifically on race, its a issue of being poor. Plenty of unarmed white and Hispanics experience excessive and lethal force at the hands on US police.

Some see this as 'justification' - its not racial so its fair, but its still a frighteningly high level of excessive violence and use of lethal force, in very questionable circumstances.

For me, it doesn't matter if its racial, class, gender, if you're shooting unarmed suspects and its not creating a issue for law enforcement you have a serious social problem.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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You are correct of course but what we have here is political parties and candidates jumping on any cause that appeals to their targeted voters, none of which they actually care about.
Along with that we have media and commerce pandering to all minority concerns even if they are totally unreasonable because they are terrified that to buck the trend would be bad for business. As a result of that we now have a new breed of gullible young liberal/left who gobble this stuff up and believe it all. On the other side we now have a majority who are moving rapidly to the right because they see where it is all going.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 Oct 2016 1.24pm)