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jamiemartin721  Reading 19 Jul 16 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is hard to accept. The explanation is clearly that protecting the institution is more important to the powers that be than the rights of a particular individual. There must be an element of protecting their own arses but along with that must be a desire to maintain police morale and wider public confidence in police procedure. Which is an absurdly short sighted stance because inevitably the consequence will be a lack of public confidence, and 'retaliation' against the police (which has been the result of police 'immunity' in US history where race and police violence has been concerned). Also, its a very troubling decision to take for a any democracy, for individuals in public bodies to ascertain personally, that some people have less rights than others in relation to the police. And those people with less rights seem to be black people, the mentally ill and poor people. Those who have the most contact with the police. But that seems to be a common theme of the US justice system, a form of socio-economic class war. It that's true, then f**k the police. It shouldn't be surprising, given US history, that when the police are not accountable for their actions, that people fight back. If its ok for police officers to shoot people 'because a vague sense of fear of being killed by someone' surely the same applies to people, such as the poor, when dealing with a police force that seems to be quite at home shooting at the slightest of 'provocations' or excuses. Survival and self preservation work both ways.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jul 16 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It really hasn't. They just found something to attribute it to for all of a week or so. Maybe, but it was hardly 'hate crime' it was for the most part 'stupid t*** crime'.
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 7mins In the bush 19 Jul 16 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
Those paid to serve the public have an obligation to uphold the law not act outside of it. Most cops set a good example, but there is certainly an element to it drawing in the wrong kind of person too. The level of unnecessary violence routinely shown by the police in the states is a problem. Yes there are issues within certain communities that need to be addressed, but there are also about 40 times more african americans than police officers, so it's not really a stat that tells you anything about police violence or the lack of it. People need to work on all aspects of what is a feedback loop that's spiralling out of control right now. re: your other stats, there are lots of peace summits and initiatives that appear to reduce gang violence in certain areas. More funds needs to be ploughed into that kind of thing, rather than an out of sight out of mind approach, where historically certain lives or victims have held more value by default. It's no wonder that this than filters through to peoples mindset and actions. I worry about some one eyed elements that are attempting to lead the BLM movement too. There is little compromise, but then compromising isn't a particularly common approach stateside. People all too easily get sucked into embodying a belief system or approach template, rather than thinking for themselves. Lots of problems in all directions, with most playing their part in one way or another.
The crime stats for the black community are relevant, as they commit far far more crime than any other racial group, this will of course bring them in to contact with the Police. BLM is a bulls*** movement... they say black lives matter, but when questioned about black on black violence, they say it's "not their priority right now" The two shootings that sparked the recent troubles, one I feel could be justified, and one maybe not, but neither are "executions" or "murder" and people using them terms, sound like halfwit sixth formers... that kind of language is dangerous.
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| 7mins In the bush 19 Jul 16 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Largely irrelevant, when discussing shooting of black people by cops. BLM is specifically about police violence, not black on black violence - there are plenty of other civil rights and community groups focused on violence in black communities. BLM was started after the Zimmerman case... not due to police violence.
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nairb75  Baltimore 19 Jul 16 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So who encouraged that guy to kill those cops? I doubt Donald can be blamed for that one. Maybe felons can use it as a defense in court. Well your honour, it was that made me do it. you're not reading me correctly for some reason. i never said trump was responsible. i'm saying that his raise is a mirror to a society that allows african-americans to be unfairly treated, at times, by police. this has been happening for a long time but the racial tensions have been stirred up, and rhetoric from trump right now is only making things worse. he's not directly responsible and to suggest that is ridiculous. you're making illogical leaps to fit your agenda, methinks. Edited by nairb75 (19 Jul 2016 1.47pm)
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| blackpalacefan 19 Jul 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
BLM was started after the Zimmerman case... not due to police violence. But even that case shows how warped people are about taking sides in the states, whatever that side may be. Even if we assume he acted in self defense, Zimmerman has since gone on to sell paintings for $100,000+ a piece and the actual gun used to kill the teenager for $250,000 dollars. There's a sickness in society when someone profits from such a thing.
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| 7mins In the bush 19 Jul 16 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
But even that case shows how warped people are about taking sides in the states, whatever that side may be. Even if we assume he acted in self defense, Zimmerman has since gone on to sell paintings for 0,000+ a piece and the actual gun used to kill the teenager for 0,000 dollars. There's a sickness in society when someone profits from such a thing. Zimmerman was a massive c***...and probably a racist, but he was never going to be found guilty. Florida has a "Stand your ground" law, Trayvon was dead as soon as he got in to a fight with Zimmerman. America is a f***ed up country...with a terrible media.
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| 7mins In the bush 19 Jul 16 2.10pm |
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...and making money out of killing someone is morally contemptible.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jul 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
BLM was started after the Zimmerman case... not due to police violence. I stand corrected. It has focused on dubious shoootings of black men, largely by police officers.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jul 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Zimmerman was a massive c***...and probably a racist, but he was never going to be found guilty. Florida has a "Stand your ground" law, Trayvon was dead as soon as he got in to a fight with Zimmerman. America is a f***ed up country...with a terrible media. Sums up the very dangerous mentality of the US in regards to firearms and lethal weapons. An interesting contradiction in the case of reversed race in Georgia
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| 7mins In the bush 19 Jul 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I stand corrected. It has focused on dubious shoootings of black men, largely by police officers. Yes, it has changed it's stance, from violence against the black community to violence from police... they have never explained why?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Jul 16 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Yes, it has changed it's stance, from violence against the black community to violence from police... they have never explained why? Because violence by the police against black people is violence against the black community?
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