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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 May 16 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
If you can't work that out for yourself, then I can understand why you think this is episode is 'not a problem'. I'd like to know what YOU think specifically is anti semetic about her post?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 May 16 3.12pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I hope its for something not shown, because the rest of the statement isn't anti-Semitic as it occurs in a comparative example to dismiss the reply of the holocaust. Its critical, but is it purely anti-Semitic or just the 'shrill cry of the racial top trump card'. Probably the later. I'd like to see what stemmed the question 'what debit do we owe the Jews' though. That's probably the most concerning. Unless were going to reduce anti-Semitic as being anything critical of actions undertaken by some Jewish people or comparing the Holocaust to something. Its not worthy that the only use of Jews as a generalisation, is the question. Peoples words are oft quoted without even including the rest of the sentence, let alone in what respects. So much is taken out of context.
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matt_himself Matataland 05 May 16 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd like to know what YOU think specifically is anti semetic about her post? It's blaming a body of people for contributing to enabling the slave trade without any academic evidence provided supporting the claims. The tone of language, singling out the term 'the Jews' comes over as showing distain. If someone was to say that 'the Muslims' are responsible for discriminating against women, gays and 'infidels' then you and your sort would claim this tone and use of language is islamophobic and refers to a 'minority' and the 'majority' of Muslims, whereas you and your sort seem comfortable with the use of the term 'the Jews' to broad brush and portray people of Jewish origin of being a singular group and possessing singular views & objectives. What do YOU think?
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johnfirewall 05 May 16 3.30pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Peoples words are oft quoted without even including the rest of the sentence, let alone in what respects. So much is taken out of context.
Resurrect the thread if you want so we can point out that at worst it's a moral issue as with any legal investment such as your pension fund holding Israeli FTSE listed stock.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 May 16 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It's blaming a body of people for contributing to enabling the slave trade without any academic evidence provided supporting the claims. Upon looking around a bit on the subject - I would like to change my position. As the evidence of the statement, is based on a falsehood. The role played in the slave trade by Jewish citizens was very minimal and it would be unfair to single it out as worth mentioning as other ethnic groups, notably white Christians, were far more significant in the profit and proliferation of the trade. Whilst some Jewish people and financiers were involved in the slave trade, they were not overly represented of the populations they came from. As such, the statement is anti-Semitic, because it falsely associates Jewish people role in the Slave trade, as a means of co-opting the horrors of the Slave trade as an argument against the 'Holocaust' retort. Of course, had there been a significance of Jewish finance and involvement in the slave trade then it wouldn't really have been anti-semetic. A generalisation is acceptable, when its applicable and defensible. Once you dismiss the basis of the generalisation then it becomes about ignorance and the willing acceptance of stereotypes. Sack her.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 May 16 3.44pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Upon looking around a bit on the subject - I would like to change my position. As the evidence of the statement, is based on a falsehood. The role played in the slave trade by Jewish citizens was very minimal and it would be unfair to single it out as worth mentioning as other ethnic groups, notably white Christians, were far more significant in the profit and proliferation of the trade. Whilst some Jewish people and financiers were involved in the slave trade, they were not overly represented of the populations they came from. As such, the statement is anti-Semitic, because it falsely associates Jewish people role in the Slave trade, as a means of co-opting the horrors of the Slave trade as an argument against the 'Holocaust' retort. Of course, had there been a significance of Jewish finance and involvement in the slave trade then it wouldn't really have been anti-semetic. A generalisation is acceptable, when its applicable and defensible. Once you dismiss the basis of the generalisation then it becomes about ignorance and the willing acceptance of stereotypes. Sack her. Slavery has been a symptom of humanity for thousands of years. Is pointing the finger at any one group really significant in any context? Didn't white slave traders often buy their slaves from Black African slave traders? Does that mean we should call black people out for causing their own plight? People use others for profit end of story. Slavery still happening in some places and in any case we now have migrant labour to keep the rich man rich instead, the next best thing. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 May 2016 3.45pm)
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matt_himself Matataland 05 May 16 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Peoples words are oft quoted without even including the rest of the sentence, let alone in what respects. So much is taken out of context.
If a Kipper made some of these comments, would you support them and say they 'were taken out of context'? Your willingness to blame conspiracies and brush this under the carpet is sickening.
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johnfirewall 05 May 16 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Upon looking around a bit on the subject - I would like to change my position. As the evidence of the statement, is based on a falsehood. The role played in the slave trade by Jewish citizens was very minimal and it would be unfair to single it out as worth mentioning as other ethnic groups, notably white Christians, were far more significant in the profit and proliferation of the trade. Whilst some Jewish people and financiers were involved in the slave trade, they were not overly represented of the populations they came from. As such, the statement is anti-Semitic, because it falsely associates Jewish people role in the Slave trade, as a means of co-opting the horrors of the Slave trade as an argument against the 'Holocaust' retort. Of course, had there been a significance of Jewish finance and involvement in the slave trade then it wouldn't really have been anti-semetic. A generalisation is acceptable, when its applicable and defensible. Once you dismiss the basis of the generalisation then it becomes about ignorance and the willing acceptance of stereotypes. Sack her. Insurance is based on the slave trade but given that certain classes such as motor insurance are a legal requirement they unfortunately can't be boycotted. Further, a particular German firm insured the concentration camps... Neither of these to my knowledge having any Jewish investors. To be honest, her ignorance combined with that of those defending her is the most infuriating thing. Edited by johnfirewall (05 May 2016 3.59pm)
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johnfirewall 05 May 16 5.15pm | |
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Not a Labour MP this time but quotes Finkelstein, who is referenced by the left in defence of Naz Shah etc.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 May 16 5.21pm | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Insurance is based on the slave trade but given that certain classes such as motor insurance are a legal requirement they unfortunately can't be boycotted. Further, a particular German firm insured the concentration camps... Neither of these to my knowledge having any Jewish investors. To be honest, her ignorance combined with that of those defending her is the most infuriating thing. Edited by johnfirewall (05 May 2016 3.59pm)
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johnfirewall 05 May 16 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
There were some Dutch ones as well.
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matt_himself Matataland 05 May 16 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Does that justify her anti Semitic ranting? No. Please answer my question above. I answered yours.
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