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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Will you sweep to power in the next General Election. I am not a member. It was you who suggested starting one so obviously unaware it already existed. I want our major parties to recognise the need and get behind it.
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 georgenorman 16 Apr 23 9.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Because as previously stated at the 1981 Labour Party conference the NEC endorsed “withdrawal” as official Labour Party policy. By an even larger margin than the year before, 84% of delegates voted in favour of leaving the EEC. Exactly right. The left saw the EU as a Capitalist racket, which it was and is. They also saw it as a threat to the USSR, who they supported against the wicked West. It is so funny that they are now so pro-EU, but their hypocrisy is not surprising, it has always been thus.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Because as previously stated at the 1981 Labour Party conference the NEC endorsed “withdrawal” as official Labour Party policy. By an even larger margin than the year before, 84% of delegates voted in favour of leaving the EEC. That was pre EU. As you say it was the EEC. When Labour had Foot as leader and before Blair took it onto the centre ground. In recent times Labour MPs have been mainly strongly pro-EU.
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Teddy Eagle  16 Apr 23 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That was pre EU. As you say it was the EEC. When Labour had Foot as leader and before Blair took it onto the centre ground. In recent times Labour MPs have been mainly strongly pro-EU. It was also when the EU, in whatever incarnation, consisted of fewer countries who were on a fairly level economic footing rather than several which are financial drains. Labour has never been pro-EU and never will be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It was also when the EU, in whatever incarnation, consisted of fewer countries who were on a fairly level economic footing rather than several which are financial drains. Labour has never been pro-EU and never will be. I just don't think that's true. There's always been some, like Corbyn, who are deeply sceptic, but the majority in recent years have been pro-EU. Like the Tories they gave their MPs a free role just because of the divisions that existed. Starmer was a Remainer and argued for a second referendum. His current stance must therefore be a political calculation and not one of conviction. He loses my respect for that. Unless he changes his position pdq that's a certain vote loser and will cause a big drift to the Lib Dems.
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 23 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just don't think that's true. There's always been some, like Corbyn, who are deeply sceptic, but the majority in recent years have been pro-EU. Like the Tories they gave their MPs a free role just because of the divisions that existed. Starmer was a Remainer and argued for a second referendum. His current stance must therefore be a political calculation and not one of conviction. He loses my respect for that. Unless he changes his position pdq that's a certain vote loser and will cause a big drift to the Lib Dems. OK, don't think it but that doesn't mean it's not true. Of course it's political calculation. How many of them do or say anything that isn't?
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 17 Apr 23 7.05am |
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So REjoin promises that by rejoining we will cut our cost of living??? Strange, seeing as I live in the EU and prices of everything have risen massively, so how will rejoining cut costs??
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 17 Apr 23 7.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just don't think that's true. There's always been some, like Corbyn, who are deeply sceptic, but the majority in recent years have been pro-EU. Like the Tories they gave their MPs a free role just because of the divisions that existed. Starmer was a Remainer and argued for a second referendum. His current stance must therefore be a political calculation and not one of conviction. He loses my respect for that. Unless he changes his position pdq that's a certain vote loser and will cause a big drift to the Lib Dems. The thing is, (as my wife is always reminding me) people are allowed to change their minds. Whether on a whim (in the case of Mrs Hillbilly), or whether on reflecting on likely outcomes, or in light of new information. As a general view of the EU, it looked to gain more members to add (economic and military)security. The outcome was quite different, as newer members had different political and economic positions, which made the EU very much like a Push-me, Pull-you. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Apr 2023 7.28am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 23 9.59am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
OK, don't think it but that doesn't mean it's not true. Of course it's political calculation. How many of them do or say anything that isn't? It's obviously not just me that thinks it is it? It appears that you are the one out of step with reality! I expect our politicians to do their job and represent us by deciding things based on what is in our best interests and not what protects their party. Which is why I want to see the party system weakened and the individual MP's powers increased.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Apr 23 10.04am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
So REjoin promises that by rejoining we will cut our cost of living??? Strange, seeing as I live in the EU and prices of everything have risen massively, so how will rejoining cut costs?? I don't write their PR so you would need to ask them but it seems pretty obvious to me. Costs have risen everywhere but ultimately the strength of the EU and the efficiency of the single market would benefit us. If you don't live here then you won't have witnessed the spiraling prices we are seeing.
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| Teddy Eagle 17 Apr 23 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's obviously not just me that thinks it is it? It appears that you are the one out of step with reality! I expect our politicians to do their job and represent us by deciding things based on what is in our best interests and not what protects their party. Which is why I want to see the party system weakened and the individual MP's powers increased. It's political expediency. Labour changed their stance on Europe thinking it was a vote catcher. I don't share your view of MPs principles, there will obviously be some exceptions but usually they'll say what they think voters want to hear.
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| georgenorman 17 Apr 23 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't write their PR so you would need to ask them but it seems pretty obvious to me. Costs have risen everywhere but ultimately the strength of the EU and the efficiency of the single market would benefit us. If you don't live here then you won't have witnessed the spiraling prices we are seeing. Inflation is worldwide and is not due to us leaving the EU. The price-rigging and protectionist racketeering of the EU contributes to inflation.
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