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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And when they said those things the convinced audience was of Labour voters. Corbyn became pro-EU out of nothing more than cynicism which was the point rather than some convoluted explanation on different types of democracy. I am not so sure the audience is just Labour voters. Many hardline Eurosceptics, of every political persuasion, would justify their own views with "even Benn and Corbyn agree with me"!. Corbyn never became pro-EU. If he had done so he would have stood aside in the Autumn of 2019 and allowed a new leader to hold, and probably win, a no confidence vote, form an interim national government, hold a confirmatory vote followed by new EU negotiations and then a GE to vote in a new government to approve them. I blame Corbyn every much as I blame both Cameron and Johnson for the self inflicted shambles that is Brexit.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Apr 23 2.34pm |
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You may be able to change the government although its weighted against it, but to change the system I very much doubt it.
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Teddy Eagle  16 Apr 23 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not so sure the audience is just Labour voters. Many hardline Eurosceptics, of every political persuasion, would justify their own views with "even Benn and Corbyn agree with me"!. Corbyn never became pro-EU. If he had done so he would have stood aside in the Autumn of 2019 and allowed a new leader to hold, and probably win, a no confidence vote, form an interim national government, hold a confirmatory vote followed by new EU negotiations and then a GE to vote in a new government to approve them. I blame Corbyn every much as I blame both Cameron and Johnson for the self inflicted shambles that is Brexit. It was Labour supporters when they said those things. Then Labour magically became pro-EU.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Apr 23 3.17pm |
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Starmer's position over brexit is particularly bad. In fact its ridiculous for an opposition leader to whip his own party to support the government in this case Johnson's hopeless deal, now its unravelled as has the whole thing, he has nowhere to go because he supported it. My guess is that around 65% would rejoin, at present. We are affected by brexit, it is seriously harming us, imo labour is making a bad mistake here.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It was Labour supporters when they said those things. Then Labour magically became pro-EU. Why was it Labour only? I think it was addressed to a much wider audience. Labour has never, as a party, been pro-EU. Like the Tories its MPs are probably more in favour of the EU than against.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer's position over brexit is particularly bad. In fact its ridiculous for an opposition leader to whip his own party to support the government in this case Johnson's hopeless deal, now its unravelled as has the whole thing, he has nowhere to go because he supported it. My guess is that around 65% would rejoin, at present. We are affected by brexit, it is seriously harming us, imo labour is making a bad mistake here.
I hope it’s only a temporary position and when it’s politically safe to do so he, and all responsible politicians from every side, start to be straightforward and honest with the electorate. Personally I think that time is already overdue and there is all to gain for any party taking a positive rejoin stance.
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 georgenorman 16 Apr 23 6.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer's position over brexit is particularly bad. In fact its ridiculous for an opposition leader to whip his own party to support the government in this case Johnson's hopeless deal, now its unravelled as has the whole thing, he has nowhere to go because he supported it. My guess is that around 65% would rejoin, at present. We are affected by brexit, it is seriously harming us, imo labour is making a bad mistake here.
My guess is that around 65% would not want to rejoin, at present.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
My guess is that around 65% would not want to rejoin, at present. What a surprise! You are wrong!
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| georgenorman 16 Apr 23 8.14pm |
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Well, start a political party that wants to hold another referendum and see how you get on.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 23 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Well, start a political party that wants to hold another referendum and see how you get on. No need!
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| georgenorman 16 Apr 23 8.37pm |
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Will you sweep to power in the next General Election.
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| Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 23 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why was it Labour only? I think it was addressed to a much wider audience. Labour has never, as a party, been pro-EU. Like the Tories its MPs are probably more in favour of the EU than against. Because as previously stated at the 1981 Labour Party conference the NEC endorsed “withdrawal” as official Labour Party policy. By an even larger margin than the year before, 84% of delegates voted in favour of leaving the EEC.
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