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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 08 Jul 20 12.10pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Well the good news is that the club IS focusing on the future with the big investment in the Academy and gaining Cat 1 status. Scouting is something that never stops but success depends on how effective your network is and how it is managed.

The constant criticism of Hodgson not giving youth a chance is something of a red herring in my opinion. The fact is, AWB aside, we haven't had a glut of young players pressing for a first team place.

Hodgson will be looking at addressing the overall age of the squad this summer I am sure. It's an accepted fact that needs to be done. I don't think it will be too radical more of a gradual rebuild. My concern is that when you are only effectively contracting a manager for a season at a time, it surely hinders medium term planning.

That being the issue though. As you say there is no medium term plan.

The youth may be a red herring, but until RH considers trying something different or not just like for like we will never know. When he took over he had to play Zaha and Townsend up front and was forced into it. We signed Sorloth who is banging them in, Benteke was scoring under Allardyce. RH seems to want to sacrifice players strengths for the sake of the system - fine, but the system is easy for an opposition to plan for.

Pulis, Allardyce, Hodgson - all seasoned “keep you up managers”. But if they overhauled your squad they are not going to go for prospects - they will go for aging senior players which is not what we need. Older pros clearly respond to Roy, I’m not sure a team of younger players will or indeed would want to come - hence the vicious circle continues.

It is an overly romantic idea to think we can play fast flowing football straight away. I’d just rather we attack with a bit more pace and accepted we can take the game to some teams on the front foot. Zaha, Townsend and Benteke is a front three that should score goals at this level.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 20 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

That being the issue though. As you say there is no medium term plan.

The youth may be a red herring, but until RH considers trying something different or not just like for like we will never know. When he took over he had to play Zaha and Townsend up front and was forced into it. We signed Sorloth who is banging them in, Benteke was scoring under Allardyce. RH seems to want to sacrifice players strengths for the sake of the system - fine, but the system is easy for an opposition to plan for.

Pulis, Allardyce, Hodgson - all seasoned “keep you up managers”. But if they overhauled your squad they are not going to go for prospects - they will go for aging senior players which is not what we need. Older pros clearly respond to Roy, I’m not sure a team of younger players will or indeed would want to come - hence the vicious circle continues.

It is an overly romantic idea to think we can play fast flowing football straight away. I’d just rather we attack with a bit more pace and accepted we can take the game to some teams on the front foot. Zaha, Townsend and Benteke is a front three that should score goals at this level.

Zaha and Townsend have never been known for their goals.
Benteke scored goals for A.Villa when he was fed with crosses.

 

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EddieMac Flag 08 Jul 20 12.35pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Zaha and Townsend have never been known for their goals.
Benteke scored goals for A.Villa when he was fed with crosses.

Also all 3 of them have been in poor form all season.Townsend and Benteke have had a lot of injuries which may be a factor but it is not Roy’s fault that Townsend and Zaha can’t cross a decent ball or Townsend has lost the ability to beat a full back or Benteke can’t even kick a football. These issues are not tactic related they are down to ability and form. When the players are on the pitch they are in control. Our general passing is abysmal which again Roy has no control over.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 08 Jul 20 12.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

Zaha and Townsend have never been known for their goals.
Benteke scored goals for A.Villa when he was fed with crosses.

Thanks Wikipedia.

Kind of the point I was making: two wingers crossing, a forward who thrives on crosses.

 

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cpj Flag Kent 08 Jul 20 2.37pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

Also all 3 of them have been in poor form all season.Townsend and Benteke have had a lot of injuries which may be a factor but it is not Roy’s fault that Townsend and Zaha can’t cross a decent ball or Townsend has lost the ability to beat a full back or Benteke can’t even kick a football. These issues are not tactic related they are down to ability and form. When the players are on the pitch they are in control. Our general passing is abysmal which again Roy has no control over.

He's the coach; he decides who plays and to an extent who we sign (such as he wanted McCarthy who has been next to useless). How is it not down to him?

 

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Den1923 Flag 08 Jul 20 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I don’t disagree with anything you said but Roy was not brought in to develop younger players he was brought in to keep us safe for a few years while the club sorted itself out in the background. It is up to Parish and Dougie to get those younger players in and be ready for the next manager to develop. Roy has no interest in signing 19/20 year olds as he knows he will be gone in a year or so and more than likely this will be his last year in football management.

The same goes with developing or moving with the times,
he was not brought in to develop or move with the times and why would he change everything he knows. He is 74 not 34. This is just something we are going to have to put up with for another year so a lot of may as well get used to it. Roy will be gone in 12 months and so will most of that squad, the next few transfer windows are critical and it will not be Roy making the signings.


I fully agree with you, Roy was bought in as a safe pair of hands after the destruction of FdV.With little resources Roy has done a tremendous job in keeping us in this division with little support on the recruiting front and despite the latter has remained loyal to the club, unlike others in the past who threw their toys out of the pram when they could not get support from the top. Roy is with us until the end of next season at least and it's time we showed our appreciation for what he has achieved.

 

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EddieMac Flag 08 Jul 20 2.45pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by cpj

He's the coach; he decides who plays and to an extent who we sign (such as he wanted McCarthy who has been next to useless). How is it not down to him?

So your telling me that when the ball is at PVA’s foot or any players foot for that matter and that player can not pass the ball 12 yards that it’s the managers fault?

And I think your wrong about McCarthy, he should be starting in midfield.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 20 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

I fully agree with you, Roy was bought in as a safe pair of hands after the destruction of FdV.With little resources Roy has done a tremendous job in keeping us in this division with little support on the recruiting front and despite the latter has remained loyal to the club, unlike others in the past who threw their toys out of the pram when they could not get support from the top. Roy is with us until the end of next season at least and it's time we showed our appreciation for what he has achieved.

I fully appreciate his efforts at our club and I have expressed these sentiments both in HOL and in conversations with those who are not contributors to this site.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Jul 20 3.01pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

So your telling me that when the ball is at PVA’s foot or any players foot for that matter and that player can not pass the ball 12 yards that it’s the managers fault?

And I think your wrong about McCarthy, he should be starting in midfield.


I tend to agree and hope to see him start on Sunday (preferably in place of Luka who's been having a few mares and looks shot). I know McCarthy was clueless against Liverpool but then who did play well in that game? He, along with PvA (and Riederwald) can usually take decent free kicks and corners.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 08 Jul 20 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I find it strange that Meyer gets slagged off after every cameo performance but a long serving player like Ward, who has been dire since the return doesn’t get as much criticism.

Wardy has been really bad, I hate to say it but AWB would have nailed Pulisic before he got that shot in for the second last night..

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jul 20 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Wardy has been really bad, I hate to say it but AWB would have nailed Pulisic before he got that shot in for the second last night..

AWB is an excellent one-on-one defender and Pulisic would not have been able to get that shot away.
Sadly Ward is found 'Wanting' in such situations.

What I will add about Pulisic is that he has a quick change of direction and has the ability to score with both right and left feet and his head.

Edited by Willo (08 Jul 2020 3.17pm)

 

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 08 Jul 20 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Couldn't watch another 'live' Palace game yesterday but did a fast forward replay this morning to see what I missed. Great way to see Palace of late as it saves all that hanging around waiting for a shot on goal!

I was pleasantly surprised to see some teamwork and effort and it was a much closer game than I imagined.

Well done Palace, however, I don't think we'll get anything from our last 4 fixtures as everyone wants the points more than us!

Edited by Henry of Peckham (08 Jul 2020 3.39pm)

 


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