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HeathMan Flag Purley 14 Jan 18 10.57pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

On this thread I have read that Christian is a member of the Palace Team and his being on the pitch helps. Football is a team game and getting goals is often associated with opposing players being in the wrong place. I saw Burnley setting three to watch and two to watch Christian. This gives other Palace players opportunities. COYP

 

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mattteo Flag 14 Jan 18 10.59pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

No they aren't! They're aggregates of selected facts.


Everything is an aggregate of a selected fact.
The fact that I'm tall is an aggregate of my centimeters.
The fact that we eat 3 times a day is an aggregate of our daily habits.
The fact that they don't reflect the entire information about us as persons is another thing, but nothing ever gives ALL the information.

Still, statistics are facts.

 

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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 14 Jan 18 11.36pm Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

I support every palace player, providing they give 100%. Sadly I don't feel he is. Nothing would please me more than him getting a hatrick against arsenal and going on a good run of goals, but I just can't see it happening.

What would make you feel he is giving 100% ?
Would you prefer a forward running around ineffectively for 90 mins and not creating space and chances for others ?

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Jan 18 11.59pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

No, statistics are facts.

That he's a class player is just your opinion

in the past benteke was a class player. Just like in the past Maradona was a force to be reckoned with.

Whether Benteke gets back his form or ends up playing in the Championship will be determined over the next few weeks. By the Ides of March he will either be a hero or a zero.

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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MKCPFC Flag Spain/MK 15 Jan 18 12.25am Send a Private Message to MKCPFC Add MKCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

in the past benteke was a class player. Just like in the past Maradona was a force to be reckoned with.

Whether Benteke gets back his form or ends up playing in the Championship will be determined over the next few weeks. By the Ides of March he will either be a hero or a zero.

What happens on the 15th of March ?

 

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dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 15 Jan 18 12.52am Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

There is a pattern here..... Rogers bought Benteke for Liverpool on the basis of what he was like at Aston Villa which, was a beast of a player, powerful going forward and goals with both feet and head. Virtually unplayable at times. Failed to find anywhere near this form with the scousers and when Klopp came in gave him a chance but got rid to us for the same fee as they paid, so nothing lost.

We bought him based again on the same thing Liverpool did.... His stunning form at Villa. The thinking of both clubs being 'hope'.

Neither us or Liverpool paid over £30m and with wages of £120k for him to do the occasional great flick or pass. He was wanted to score goals and lots of them. I keep reading many posts in his defence ...... His 15 goals last season/he clearly has little confidence and once he gets one he will go on a scoring spree/the flick against Burnley etc etc.

If a player is short on confidence then I would expect him to knuckle down to the hardest work possible on the training pitch and graft with the results on display on the pitch. All great goal scorers did it.... Wright and Bright, Rush (look at the way he used to close down defenders creating opportunities). In short they and others used to work hard at their game. I have closely watched CB over the past 6 games and I have not seen any such effort, determination or focus. Instead I have watched a player being a shadow of his former Aston Villa self. Others have pointed to his lack of movement and a footballing brain so I am not going to go into that detail here.

Ian Wright on MOTD repeatedly picked out his weaknesses against Burnley, namely his positioning and inability to attack the ball in the air. Yesterday he could and should have got two maybe three goals, that's what we paid the big bucks for and he has been given every chance to prove himself but as I have said previously he is like driving a car with the hand brake on.

There is no desire in his actions or eyes unlike Sako who looks hungary and scares defenders. For that matter what about Kelly's incredible chase and slide tackle at the end if the first half.

I fear that we will never see the Benteke of old, he was hungary but has now been well and truly fed to the point where his thinking is why should I really put myself out when I have untold riches with no one competing for my place and a contract that protects me with another possible big pay day coming up, if sold.

Can you imagine what we would be like with a dynamic big centre forward who terrorises the centre halves and bangs in his fair share of chances?

Saying all this I would dearly love to see CB release the hand brake but fear this just too much to hope...there we go again!


 


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rattus2002 Flag 15 Jan 18 1.46am Send a Private Message to rattus2002 Add rattus2002 as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

There is a pattern here..... Rogers bought Benteke for Liverpool on the basis of what he was like at Aston Villa which, was a beast of a player, powerful going forward and goals with both feet and head. Virtually unplayable at times. Failed to find anywhere near this form with the scousers and when Klopp came in gave him a chance but got rid to us for the same fee as they paid, so nothing lost.

We bought him based again on the same thing Liverpool did.... His stunning form at Villa. The thinking of both clubs being 'hope'.

Neither us or Liverpool paid over £30m and with wages of £120k for him to do the occasional great flick or pass. He was wanted to score goals and lots of them. I keep reading many posts in his defence ...... His 15 goals last season/he clearly has little confidence and once he gets one he will go on a scoring spree/the flick against Burnley etc etc.

If a player is short on confidence then I would expect him to knuckle down to the hardest work possible on the training pitch and graft with the results on display on the pitch. All great goal scorers did it.... Wright and Bright, Rush (look at the way he used to close down defenders creating opportunities). In short they and others used to work hard at their game. I have closely watched CB over the past 6 games and I have not seen any such effort, determination or focus. Instead I have watched a player being a shadow of his former Aston Villa self. Others have pointed to his lack of movement and a footballing brain so I am not going to go into that detail here.

Ian Wright on MOTD repeatedly picked out his weaknesses against Burnley, namely his positioning and inability to attack the ball in the air. Yesterday he could and should have got two maybe three goals, that's what we paid the big bucks for and he has been given every chance to prove himself but as I have said previously he is like driving a car with the hand brake on.

There is no desire in his actions or eyes unlike Sako who looks hungary and scares defenders. For that matter what about Kelly's incredible chase and slide tackle at the end if the first half.

I fear that we will never see the Benteke of old, he was hungary but has now been well and truly fed to the point where his thinking is why should I really put myself out when I have untold riches with no one competing for my place and a contract that protects me with another possible big pay day coming up, if sold.

Can you imagine what we would be like with a dynamic big centre forward who terrorises the centre halves and bangs in his fair share of chances?

Saying all this I would dearly love to see CB release the hand brake but fear this just too much to hope...there we go again!


Look at the front 3 that Klopp played against City and has selected all season, there is no traditional centre forward of Benteke’s type. He was never likely to be in Klopp’s plans due to the formation and style of football that Klopp played hence why he was available to us. To say he was therefore given a fair chance under Klopp is simply incorrect.


Edited by rattus2002 (15 Jan 2018 1.47am)

 

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pssguy Flag 15 Jan 18 2.01am Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by rattus2002

Look at the front 3 that Klopp played against City and has selected all season, there is no traditional centre forward of Benteke’s type. He was never likely to be in Klopp’s plans due to the formation and style of football that Klopp played hence why he was available to us. To say he was therefore given a fair chance under Klopp is simply incorrect.


Edited by rattus2002 (15 Jan 2018 1.47am)

Agreed. He really didn't do too badly there. Only 14 starts in League and nabbed 9 goals. Only Firmino with 10 bettered him that season

 

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Nobbybm Flag Dartford 15 Jan 18 8.40am Send a Private Message to Nobbybm Add Nobbybm as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Everything is an aggregate of a selected fact.
The fact that I'm tall is an aggregate of my centimeters.
The fact that we eat 3 times a day is an aggregate of our daily habits.
The fact that they don't reflect the entire information about us as persons is another thing, but nothing ever gives ALL the information.

Still, statistics are facts.

Defined as:

"a fact or piece of data obtained from a study of a large quantity of numerical data."

So, not necessarily a fact nor do they necessarily paint the entire picture. Football is so fundamentally subjective that any statistics produced will be flawed. The variables are so great that it is impossible to state many of them are indeed 'fact'.

The 'fact' is we're a better team with Benteke playing as demonstrated by the win/lose/draw stats and there (here comes the subjective) appears to be much less criticism of the team's performance compared with when he's been absent.

IMHO. he's been better of late but his confidence is shot - it was before the penalty incident & that has only made it worse. Maybe, just maybe, having Sako up alongside him will give him what he needs to get back to form? All I know is that Roy and the staff are far more qualified than any of us to judge what is best for the team. Fact.


Edited by Nobbybm (15 Jan 2018 8.41am)

 


Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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YT Flag Oxford 15 Jan 18 8.51am Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

I support every palace player, providing they give 100%. Sadly I don't feel he is. Nothing would please me more than him getting a hatrick against arsenal and going on a good run of goals, but I just can't see it happening.

I can’t see that happening with most strikers in the world TBF.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 15 Jan 18 8.57am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

My worry is that despite him helping the team it is not just that he can't score.
In fact he can't even hit the target!
It is not as if keepers are making great saves the fact is that he couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo right now!
That is a real concern.
Given the chances he gets he just plain misses the goal completely.

Edited by The Dolphin (15 Jan 2018 9.01am)

 

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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 15 Jan 18 12.53pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

My worry is that despite him helping the team it is not just that he can't score.
In fact he can't even hit the target!
It is not as if keepers are making great saves the fact is that he couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo right now!
That is a real concern.
Given the chances he gets he just plain misses the goal completely.

Edited by The Dolphin (15 Jan 2018 9.01am)

But that helps the team by time wasting...

 

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