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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Oct 17 8.07am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

What like the "apache helicopter " joke.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Oct 17 8.08am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's relevant. People need to know the kind of people who want their vote.

People who praise the IRA, are members of CND or hire communists for their election campaign should be avoided.

Very salient points.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Oct 17 8.53am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend


Only in figures...inflation means that a billion in 2017 is far less compared with borrowing a Billion in 2000...again nick...context is everything...not soundbites

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Oct 17 8.59am Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Marx wrote: "there is only one means to shorten, simplify and concentrate the murderous death throes of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new, only one means – revolutionary terrorism"


or simple ensure EVERYONE votes...

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 03 Oct 17 9.10am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Just like Theresa May at pmqs.

She was asked the same question 3 times on BBC breakfast this morning, and despite it being pointed out to her by the presenter that she gets criticism for simply avoiding questions and spouting platitudes and tautology she still didn't answer the question.

Interesting stats on neo-liberal Tory Britain, especially as we're about to leave the EU and go it alone (with lots more choice and competition with things like airlines etc.):

Investment in the UK as a % of GDP is lower than the EU and the US and OECD average.

Corporate investment in fixed assets was 11% in 1997 and is 8% today, which is below the rate of capital depreciation i.e. corporate capital stock is eroding (like the rest of the country).

R&D spending as % of GDP is just over half of what it is in Germany or the US (a big problem for our future).

Output per worker hour is lower than the US and all major European economies save Italy which it is about the same as (except it's cheaper to live there and the food's really good even outside of Rome). Since the GFC productivity in the UK has not grown at all. 7 years of Tory rule and no improvement and therefore relative deterioration when compared with the rest of the world.

Our share of world trade has halved in 40 years whilst Germany's has remained stable.


The idea that Britain is on the verge of conquering new world markets is an ignorant fantasy and Brexit is just a mask for all of these problems which are a malaise caused by the structure of our domestic economy and public policy. The mismanagement of Brexit from conception until today by the Tories has merely been a circus adding to the chaos inherent in the underlying structure of our economy, and things will get worse with May et al at the helm.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 03 Oct 17 9.13am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550


Only in figures...inflation means that a billion in 2017 is far less compared with borrowing a Billion in 2000...again nick...context is everything...not soundbites

This figure is true even when removing inflation.

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Oct 17 10.44am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The state is other people's money and a tiny bit of yours.

The state does not exist to provide a nice lifestyle for everyone. It is not responsible for everything negative that happens to you.

It should try to help those who create wealth as that tax and employment benefit the state and it should provide as best a safety net as possible for those vulnerable. This country is one of the best in the world at doing both of those things.

It should also place value....and it does place value, in those public sector jobs that make the wheels of society move.....If it wants these sectors to do well it should do far better in ensuring that these jobs are attractive to people....it should also stop making them political footballs.

If the individual can't offer something as value to an employer or customer then they become a burden on the state...in other words, the rest of us pay for them.

Essentially it comes down to what you view the job of the state is.

I think people have to be realistic and pragmatic about what is possible. Politicians lie for power....only the gullible believe in free lunches....It's why the Labour party is full of young people....because youth is innocent and inexperienced and will follow the pied piper, whereas those who have been around the block know where the piper is leading them.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Oct 2017 6.05am)

Never a truer word said in this whole thread!

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Oct 17 10.45am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Global Energy Crisis? It's a conspiracy.

Its NATURE doing its work.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Oct 17 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I remember 82. We'd moved to Cornwall on the back of the redundancy money my dad got from the evening news.
Bought a grocers shop. Was great for about a year till the docks shut down Falmouth as a place to live went downhill. No one barely had any money on the estate. I remember a woman coming in the shop begging my dad to let her have a packet of tampons for her daughter on tick as she had no cash.

Fast forward a few years. Living in Bracknell, A lot of the major manufacturing sites close down. Many made unemployed. Lots of skint people and not many jobs.

Look at now. Unemployment figures are low. But underemployed numbers have skyrocketed.

I've also seen a wider disparity between what those at the top earn - not doing too bad out of Tory Austerity - and those who have see wages stagnate or fall or are stuck on zero hours contracts so they don't know what they're getting from one week to the next.

Tories don't give a s***. How many ex armed forces are homeless? Yet they go on about brave servicemen and women serving your country. It's a shame they don't.


Edited by nickgusset (02 Oct 2017 11.34pm)

Thanks for that insight into why you are so bitter.

The funny part is that you actually claim that things will be better under Labour.

What will actually happen is that Labour will borrow loads more money to make things look rosey and the next inevitable Tory government will be left to pay it off once again. The youth of today will be the ones left with the debt thanks to Labour.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Oct 2017 12.14pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Oct 17 12.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Thanks for that insight into why you are so bitter.

The funny part is that you actually claim that things will be better under Labour.

What will actually happen is that Labour will borrow loads more money to make things look rosey and the next inevitable Tory government will be left to pay it off once again. The youth of today will be the ones left with the debt thanks to Labour.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Oct 2017 12.14pm)

The current Tory lot since 2010 have created more debt than all Labour governments combined and you still post unsubstantiated bollocks!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 17 12.30pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


Only in figures...inflation means that a billion in 2017 is far less compared with borrowing a Billion in 2000...again nick...context is everything...not soundbites

You'd get much better repayment schemes etc on a billion borrowed in 2000 Borrowing now days is like asking someone if you 'can have a go on his daughter'

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Oct 17 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Thanks for that insight into why you are so bitter.

The funny part is that you actually claim that things will be better under Labour.

What will actually happen is that Labour will borrow loads more money to make things look rosey and the next inevitable Tory government will be left to pay it off once again. The youth of today will be the ones left with the debt thanks to Labour.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Oct 2017 12.14pm)

Hrolf

You and I are on the 'Same page' on this one.
Labour going back to the failed policies of the 70s.Living in the 'Dark ages'.

And they keep going on about "Zero hours contracts" as if it is prevalent throughout the UK.The fact remains that less than 3% of the workforce are on such contracts and I know quite a few who have chosen to be on them for personal reasons.

Time I went back to viewing 'Conference' !

 

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