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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 8.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
One could argue that anyone indoctrinated to the point where they will murder total strangers is dangerously disturbed, but that aside, if it were one or two examples then perhaps it would not be a reasonable argument, but for hundreds of examples, the possibility of an epidemic of clinical insanity seems a little far fetched.
Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 8.12pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 16 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Hundreds of examples? In the UK? Care to elaborate. I'll give you Lee Rigby's killers and the 7/7 bombers to start you off. This is a global problem. In Britain we have been relatively fortunate, so far, but it only appears that way due to the quality of out intelligence services and, I suspect, a bit of information suppression.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Dec 16 8.19pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 8.12pm) Arguing the numbers does not alter the reasoning. 20,30, 100 it doesn't matter above a handful.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 11.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Arguing the numbers does not alter the reasoning. 20,30, 100 it doesn't matter above a handful. But if it's not a muslim that commits this sort of crime, they're a lone wolf or nutter. The semantics of how different groups are represented in the media is melting peoples' brains it would appear. I'll ask again, If anyone shouts I want to kill a muslim befiore stabbing someone, is it a case of islamophobia? Something made him mad enough to target that particular group. Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 11.18pm)
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legaleagle 16 Dec 16 9.24am | |
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And the answer is..Nick has a point...and no amount of infantile dissing him can detract from it...our media demonisation of muslims cannot but have a negative effect on and link to the rising number of unprovoked attacks on and abuse hurled at muslim people generally...regardless of whether the particular attacker or abuser has mental health issues or not..... Edited by legaleagle (16 Dec 2016 9.25am)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Dec 16 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't doubt it. The trouble is that the flow of asylum seekers will increase dramatically over the decades to come and I bet no one has a plan as to what to do about it. Not particually, the rate rises and wanes more based on global events, and has always fallen far below the 125,000 or so UK born citizens who emigrate from the UK each year. The biggest spike in 2012 was an increase of approx. 5000 on the UK asylum figure, which related to people from Syria working in the UK, inc embassy staff etc, students and tourists who were trapped here by the civil war and we're granted temporary status to stay. The UK doesn't have an immigration problem around Asylum, the figures have never even come close to the national emigration figures. The problems of UK migration are entirely around economic migration of low cost workers.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Dec 16 9.55am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is a global problem. In Britain we have been relatively fortunate, so far, but it only appears that way due to the quality of out intelligence services and, I suspect, a bit of information suppression. Of course our Intelligence services are entirely dependant on people within the Muslim community and Muslim recruits/assets for intelligence operations to be viable.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Dec 16 10.11am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Or, there have been people with serious mental disorders roaming the streets since Care in the community was realised and sometimes they don't take their medication. Which is more likely in this case I wonder? Statistically, the mentally ill are far more a threat of violence from society, than being a cause of violence in society. Care in the community doesn't cover most serious mental disorders that are related to violence. These typically result in section orders, with supervised release when the patient is deemed unlikely to be a threat to themselves or others. Typically the only really violent disorders tend towards paranoid schizophrenia (and some instances of schizophrenia) and undiagnosed personality disorders - typically that haven't been detected and treated / assessed. There are people in psychiatric wards who have spend 25 years inside on 3 year sentances, due to being diagnosed with things like borderline personality disorder or anti-social personality disorder, after being sentenced. The problem with the 'mentally ill' that are a threat to society, is that they're rarely diagnosed except through prison forensic psychology services (which are at best patchy). Often people with these disorders will go through the prison system several times before coming into contact with Psychiatric services.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Dec 16 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
But if it's not a muslim that commits this sort of crime, they're a lone wolf or nutter. The semantics of how different groups are represented in the media is melting peoples' brains it would appear. I'll ask again, If anyone shouts I want to kill a muslim befiore stabbing someone, is it a case of islamophobia? Something made him mad enough to target that particular group. Edited by nickgusset (15 Dec 2016 11.18pm) That really is not true. There is a clearly defined organisation that has encouraged attacks by Muslims who's very strength is to radicalise individuals for the benefit of their cause.There are multiple examples of this which has cost hundreds of lives in Europe. You know this full well, and yet you deliberately try blur the truth to imply that there is some sort of an equal islamaphobic organisation,which is drivel.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Dec 16 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That really is not true. There is a clearly defined organisation that has encouraged attacks by Muslims who's very strength is to radicalise individuals for the benefit of their cause.There are multiple examples of this which has cost hundreds of lives in Europe. You know this full well, and yet you deliberately try blur the truth to imply that there is some sort of an equal islamaphobic organisation,which is drivel. Can we clarify that, to you, if a Muslim commits a crime it's because they are a terrorist. But if a non Muslim commits a similar crime they are a Barking lone wolf
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Dec 16 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
And the answer is..Nick has a point...and no amount of infantile dissing him can detract from it...our media demonisation of muslims cannot but have a negative effect on and link to the rising number of unprovoked attacks on and abuse hurled at muslim people generally...regardless of whether the particular attacker or abuser has mental health issues or not..... Edited by legaleagle (16 Dec 2016 9.25am) This is a chicken and egg argument which has no validity.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Dec 16 12.47pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Statistically, the mentally ill are far more a threat of violence from society, than being a cause of violence in society. Care in the community doesn't cover most serious mental disorders that are related to violence. These typically result in section orders, with supervised release when the patient is deemed unlikely to be a threat to themselves or others. Typically the only really violent disorders tend towards paranoid schizophrenia (and some instances of schizophrenia) and undiagnosed personality disorders - typically that haven't been detected and treated / assessed. There are people in psychiatric wards who have spend 25 years inside on 3 year sentances, due to being diagnosed with things like borderline personality disorder or anti-social personality disorder, after being sentenced. The problem with the 'mentally ill' that are a threat to society, is that they're rarely diagnosed except through prison forensic psychology services (which are at best patchy). Often people with these disorders will go through the prison system several times before coming into contact with Psychiatric services.
The upshot is that no system is perfect and some potentially dangerous people will slip through the net.
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