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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Nov 22 8.24am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My wife is a nurse and in her Trust they have voted to strike. We haven't discussed whether, or how, she voted. She is though sympathetic to the demands. I am not. I don't think anyone should contemplate going on strike at the moment. If anyone achieves an above average settlement that will become the norm and our inflation and debt problems will just get worse. Of course I am proud of her and the work she does and realise that her pay in real terms has fallen, but this is not the time to try to correct that. I am particularly angry with the train drivers trying to get a larger share of the cake. For once I am in agreement. I see a friend who doesn't live in London occasionally we had a nice day out booked for Sat 26 Nov until they announced it's strike day. I may not see her now until the new year in the meantime I have booked tickets for exhibitions and stuff and I have to hope they will refund me as I don't have another date scheduled yet. Okay I know it's petty in the scheme of things but how many other people will have their weekend ruined. I also just realised that Mayor Sad Dick has done nothing to help people on strike days, he could suspend the congestion charges but hell no he probably earns more money on those days. I've said it before strikes should be banned in key sectors and replaced with compulsory arbitration with fines and imprisonment for those that do not confirm whether they are unions or management.
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silvertop Portishead 11 Nov 22 9.56am | |
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Inflation tends to push the unions to push for more. It is as sure as night follows day. However, the OP makes his point based on an assumption that state sector employees are coming from a history of sequential pay rises at least in line with (very low) inflation, but this time they are demanding a higher rise to keep up. Actually, what you have is a diminishing state sector that will have had, perhaps, one or two below inflation pay rises since 2011. Otherwise, their pay has been largely frozen for 11 years, while their workload has significantly increased due to their colleagues being laid off. There are always dregs in the state sector. However, people really need to stop seeing this as a lazy 9-5 gravy train to a huge pension as those days are long gone.
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The Dolphin 11 Nov 22 10.29am | |
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It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well.
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The Dolphin 11 Nov 22 10.31am | |
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I meant to add that at a time when many people are suffering financially, mentally and more then we should all pull together - instead these people decide to cause everyone problems.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Nov 22 11.52am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Inflation tends to push the unions to push for more. It is as sure as night follows day. However, the OP makes his point based on an assumption that state sector employees are coming from a history of sequential pay rises at least in line with (very low) inflation, but this time they are demanding a higher rise to keep up. Actually, what you have is a diminishing state sector that will have had, perhaps, one or two below inflation pay rises since 2011. Otherwise, their pay has been largely frozen for 11 years, while their workload has significantly increased due to their colleagues being laid off. There are always dregs in the state sector. However, people really need to stop seeing this as a lazy 9-5 gravy train to a huge pension as those days are long gone. If we cannot produce and keep our own staff in our own healthcare service and have to import people then there is something very wrong going on and it contradicts the opinion to deal with numbers of immigration.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Nov 22 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well. Any examples of what they say they earn vs what they do earn?
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 11 Nov 22 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
It is all very political and planned industrial action across many Unions to undermine the Government and actually Society as well. Sorry to burst your bubble but civil servants cannot all go back to the office 5 days a week as the government has sold off so many buildings that there is just not enough room to accommodate them all at once. Most buildings have around 3 times the staff allocated to them than there is actual room to accommodate them so if all staff turned up at once they would have to turn 2/3 approx away. Many other office based workers now work entirely at home and have seen no detriment to their wages etc. This working in the office is a fallacious position put about by the former Minister for Victoriana Jacob Rees Mogg.
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Midlands Eagle 11 Nov 22 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I have said on more than one occasion that part of the reason for the low take up of nursing as a career is the RCN's increasing of educational qualifications for entrance thus ruling out many people who not only wish to become nurses but also have the aptitude to do the job but they can't as they don't have a university degree
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crystal-purley Purley 11 Nov 22 1.00pm | |
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They also had no or very low pay rises for the first 4 years of the Con-Lib government which has not been corrected yet.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Nov 22 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
They also had no or very low pay rises for the first 4 years of the Con-Lib government which has not been corrected yet. All apprentiships do
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silvertop Portishead 11 Nov 22 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Sorry to burst your bubble but civil servants cannot all go back to the office 5 days a week as the government has sold off so many buildings that there is just not enough room to accommodate them all at once. Most buildings have around 3 times the staff allocated to them than there is actual room to accommodate them so if all staff turned up at once they would have to turn 2/3 approx away. Many other office based workers now work entirely at home and have seen no detriment to their wages etc. This working in the office is a fallacious position put about by the former Minister for Victoriana Jacob Rees Mogg.
Quite. There is so much ignorance of state sector work seemingly informed by bygone days and Boulting brother comedies. Those who still see state sector workers as jobsworths fudging it to a ring-fenced final-salary pension (done away with years ago, by the way) truly have no clue. They are severely reduced in number, criminally under-resourced, grossly under-paid and with crushingly low levels of moral. This is partly fed by the working conditions and partly by the ignorance of, and absence of any appreciation from, the population they serve. There is undoubtedly a neat correlation between those who still think they are lazy, incompetent and cosseted and thus applaud further cuts to the civil service and those who whine because it takes an age for anything to come back from the Passport Office or DVLA.
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silvertop Portishead 11 Nov 22 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
All apprentiships do Edited by silvertop (11 Nov 2022 5.17pm)
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