This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
rollercoaster Cornwall 24 Jun 21 2.57pm | |
---|---|
We'll have a good idea by the start of the season whether we are a well run club or not. Another few weeks of stalling over the manager and we will be a laughing stock, that is, if it is not already too late to get a squad together that can compete.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 24 Jun 21 4.56pm | |
---|---|
Interesting take on Everton. But aren't FFP rules being relaxed this summer?
If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
steeleye20 Croydon 24 Jun 21 6.31pm | |
---|---|
Andy Burnham eat your heart out.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
TheBigToePunt 24 Jun 21 7.28pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by sydtheeagle
There are a lot of moaners on this forum forever criticising our so-called lack of vision or "limited" financial means who should sit down and pay attention to the Everton story. It's instructive. Here's how it reads. Multi-millionaire owner (Moshiri) comes into the club brandishing his wallet and the fans spunk themselves. Every man's dream...time buy success. But ten years or so have passed since the Sheik's bought Manchester City and the landscape's changed. Now, there's Financial Fair Play which limits a club's ability to buy success. Rich owners still matter, but less than they did. Moshiri does what all fans want; splashes the cash and brings in star names plus a star manager. In essence, he gambles everything on Everton winning something and qualifying for Europe which would increase their revenue stream and thereby give them more room under the FFP rules. But it doesn't happen. All the money yields a tenth place finish, no Cups, and no Europe. So with the maximum amount of money already spent last summer, revenue streams left static by the failure to progress into Europe, and up hard against the FFP cap suddenly Everton have no room to spend more money whether the owner has a big wallet or not. What happens? First, Ancelloti walks in part because he knows there's no money to strengthen the team again this summer. Moshiri makes no real effort to keep him because he's happy to get a big salary off the books and free up a bit of cash he can spend elsewhere (on the team). Ancelloti, meanwhile, goes to Real and immediately puts in a cheeky bid for Calvert-Lewin because he knows that if they want to buy, Everton has to sell first. In fact, it's so bad that Everton can't even nail down Nuno, who turned down Palace for a bigger club he thought would meet his demands, then discovered in negotiating that they had no more free cash than we did. I have no sympathy for raging Everton fans. Their dream came true but rather than see the reality of last summer's excesses, they were seduced into thinking you could buy success. Now, they've come down to earth with a bump and they don't like it. Tough. The moral here is "beware of Greeks bearing gifts". Being a well-run club is not simply a matter of having a ridiculously rich owner. Manchester City (rich owner) are successful because they're well run. Tottenham (rich owner) aren't successful because recently at least, they haven't been well-run. Ditto Man. Utd. We are where we are because whether you like our ownership set-up or not or not, because we are a well-run club. And we're more or less punching our weight on the pitch. There are worse things in football than that. This shows a good understanding of the ffp regs and their impacts. Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out, but regardless of Everton hitting an ffp wall when it comes to investment in the team, they are nevertheless moving upwards in terms of a new stadium. Their former owner and lifelong blue Bill Kenwright sold to the current owner Moshri because the former felt he didn't have deep enough pockets to take Everton further. Once the new stadium is built, and presuming the costs are met at least in part by Moshri, Everton might be able to spend more in the market whilst complying with FFP. In one sense Everton, who may not be allowed to spend what their owner would like on the team, are trying to spend so much on the stadium that they buy the right to spend more on the team. Some, but certainly not all, of this is similar to our own story. I was interested to see Parish saying that after he's hired the manager and some new players this summer, moving forward with the new stand is next up. Both Palace and Everton are approaching ffp in a similar way in that regard.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
sydtheeagle England 24 Jun 21 11.04pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
I'd say the Crystal Palace brand has a wider international reach largely due to our glamorous sounding name. There, you raise a genuinely interesting point worthy of debate and you may very well be right. If Everton are a "big club" (and they're not) it's only in the eyes of England-based long-term football supporters who define the game based on the past. But the game has moved on a long way and in reality its audience is now global and not dominated by never-miss-a-match domestic supporters (for better or for worse). The new breed define the terms of the conversation and their view of the landscape doesn't include recognising Everton as anything but an unsuccessful, regional, mid-table club. Palace are also a mid-table club. But we're in London, which gives us an immediate advantage over regional clubs and, furthermore, we've appeared in a recent FA Cup Final, which gives you enormous exposure and name recognition. Everton haven't done that in years, I think. If Everton are bigger than us, and they may be, it's not by the margin that most of their supporters would like to believe.
Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Moskins Chatham 25 Jun 21 4.23pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by sydtheeagle
There are a lot of moaners on this forum forever criticising our so-called lack of vision or "limited" financial means who should sit down and pay attention to the Everton story. It's instructive. Here's how it reads. Multi-millionaire owner (Moshiri) comes into the club brandishing his wallet and the fans spunk themselves. Every man's dream...time buy success. But ten years or so have passed since the Sheik's bought Manchester City and the landscape's changed. Now, there's Financial Fair Play which limits a club's ability to buy success. Rich owners still matter, but less than they did. Moshiri does what all fans want; splashes the cash and brings in star names plus a star manager. In essence, he gambles everything on Everton winning something and qualifying for Europe which would increase their revenue stream and thereby give them more room under the FFP rules. But it doesn't happen. All the money yields a tenth place finish, no Cups, and no Europe. So with the maximum amount of money already spent last summer, revenue streams left static by the failure to progress into Europe, and up hard against the FFP cap suddenly Everton have no room to spend more money whether the owner has a big wallet or not. What happens? First, Ancelloti walks in part because he knows there's no money to strengthen the team again this summer. Moshiri makes no real effort to keep him because he's happy to get a big salary off the books and free up a bit of cash he can spend elsewhere (on the team). Ancelloti, meanwhile, goes to Real and immediately puts in a cheeky bid for Calvert-Lewin because he knows that if they want to buy, Everton has to sell first. In fact, it's so bad that Everton can't even nail down Nuno, who turned down Palace for a bigger club he thought would meet his demands, then discovered in negotiating that they had no more free cash than we did. I have no sympathy for raging Everton fans. Their dream came true but rather than see the reality of last summer's excesses, they were seduced into thinking you could buy success. Now, they've come down to earth with a bump and they don't like it. Tough. The moral here is "beware of Greeks bearing gifts". Being a well-run club is not simply a matter of having a ridiculously rich owner. Manchester City (rich owner) are successful because they're well run. Tottenham (rich owner) aren't successful because recently at least, they haven't been well-run. Ditto Man. Utd. We are where we are because whether you like our ownership set-up or not or not, because we are a well-run club. And we're more or less punching our weight on the pitch. There are worse things in football than that. We need you in schools or wherever teaching our future......Big Boy post,
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jun 21 5.19am | |
---|---|
I can't remember any club getting more than a slap on the wrist for breaching FFP, but if not the case would be interested to know. Can it really be EFL looking at two fixture lists depending on whether Derby are punished with the result of relegation
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Spiderman Horsham 26 Jun 21 6.35am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by HKOwen
I can't remember any club getting more than a slap on the wrist for breaching FFP, but if not the case would be interested to know. Can it really be EFL looking at two fixture lists depending on whether Derby are punished with the result of relegation They have been fined £100,000. If there is to be a points deduction ( why not) this is u fair on Wycombe, in as much as they do not know whether to prepare for the Championship or League 1.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Jun 21 8.53am | |
---|---|
I see why Wycombe are concerned the EFL will not act on the " big " club until season started.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Spiderman Horsham 26 Jun 21 10.29am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by HKOwen
I see why Wycombe are concerned the EFL will not act on the " big " club until season started. I think they have every reason to be concerned
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jun 21 10.40am | |
---|---|
Everton fans will be laughing at us if we appoint Silva.
Red and Blue Army! |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Eaglecoops CR3 26 Jun 21 11.13am | |
---|---|
Originally posted by ASCPFC
Everton fans will be laughing at us if we appoint Silva. He has a very similar jacket to Jose Mourinho. That is about the only thing I've ever thought about him to be fair.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.