Great to see a Palace player leading the way. All lives matter. If he was white he couldn't do it without severe repercussion and that shows you how broken the idea is. This will probably be killed by the pcers but hey. ???

Well, my answer to your question would be ‘I have seen no evidence that in this culture/country, one’s race makes a significant difference whatsoever to ones life chances, despite having read BLMs website on more than one occasion’.

I would then ask you (and it would be a sincere, genuine question) to show me evidence of societal racism in action. Where is the network or pattern across our social institutions or cultures? I would press you for something systemic, corporate, common or widespread, rather than instances or examples of racism, however awful they may be. My criticism of BLM is that they appear unable to make that distinction. My criticism of the BBC et al is that they refuse to even acknowledge how vital it is to do so. A society that has some racists in it is not the same as a racist society, and the solution depends very much on an accurate prognosis of the problem.

To return to Wilf, he has experienced nasty, s***ty social media trolls. I haven't heard him speak of anything beyond that.

Against which you have the evidence of the Zaha’s, a black African family who came to the UK and got access to work, housing, education, health, and a safe, structured and secure society in which they did better than they would have done in the Ivory Coast. It wasn’t easy for them (Wilf has spoken about being evicted as a kid), but it’s not easy for most of us.

Weigh up Wilf’s negative (racist) experiences against the positives. Where is the argument that his life is materially harder than any person receiving threats or abuse on line, of whom there are thousands all the time?

I would certainly listen to what you had to tell me, because I can’t find anything of substance in BLM to consider. I would also ask you to understand that the notion of Britain as a racist society is at odds with my own experience, and frankly a bit offensive to me as one part of that society.

I am a white working class male from a traditional background, who likes football, the pub, and all the usual stuff, but who also went to Uni, and got a career in a relatively intellectual profession where I have worked at managerial level for a long time. My work affects places and people directly and indirectly. As a working class lad with a middle class life I have a foot in both of the camps where one might look to find racism, and all I can say is that if it pervades then I’ve missed the memo. I might also ask when it became OK to accuse a society of being racist to the point that change must be made without proving it?

Personally I’m sick to death of being told I’m fundamentally racist because I don’t actively support my accusers. It’s the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever heard.

Well, my answer to your question would be ‘I have seen no evidence that in this culture/country, one’s race makes a significant difference whatsoever to ones life chances, despite having read BLMs website on more than one occasion’.

I would then ask you (and it would be a sincere, genuine question) to show me evidence of societal racism in action. Where is the network or pattern across our social institutions or cultures? I would press you for something systemic, corporate, common or widespread, rather than instances or examples of racism, however awful they may be. My criticism of BLM is that they appear unable to make that distinction. My criticism of the BBC et al is that they refuse to even acknowledge how vital it is to do so. A society that has some racists in it is not the same as a racist society, and the solution depends very much on an accurate prognosis of the problem.

To return to Wilf, he has experienced nasty, s***ty social media trolls. I haven't heard him speak of anything beyond that.

Against which you have the evidence of the Zaha’s, a black African family who came to the UK and got access to work, housing, education, health, and a safe, structured and secure society in which they did better than they would have done in the Ivory Coast. It wasn’t easy for them (Wilf has spoken about being evicted as a kid), but it’s not easy for most of us.

Weigh up Wilf’s negative (racist) experiences against the positives. Where is the argument that his life is materially harder than any person receiving threats or abuse on line, of whom there are thousands all the time?

I would certainly listen to what you had to tell me, because I can’t find anything of substance in BLM to consider. I would also ask you to understand that the notion of Britain as a racist society is at odds with my own experience, and frankly a bit offensive to me as one part of that society.

I am a white working class male from a traditional background, who likes football, the pub, and all the usual stuff, but who also went to Uni, and got a career in a relatively intellectual profession where I have worked at managerial level for a long time. My work affects places and people directly and indirectly. As a working class lad with a middle class life I have a foot in both of the camps where one might look to find racism, and all I can say is that if it pervades then I’ve missed the memo. I might also ask when it became OK to accuse a society of being racist to the point that change must be made without proving it?