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Dubai Eagle 22 Sep 20 9.56am
100% Agree with this. Originally posted by ASCPFC The obvious thing is that if that had been at the other end, say Sakho had done it, it wouldn't have needed VAR: It would have just been given. So there is no reason for us to fret, Man U will get over it.
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22 Sep 20 9.56am

100% Agree with this.

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The obvious thing is that if that had been at the other end, say Sakho had done it, it wouldn't have needed VAR: It would have just been given. So there is no reason for us to fret, Man U will get over it.

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Palace BANANA Ringmer, Lewes, East Sussex 22 Sep 20 10.07am
Originally posted by uncleneal I would be fracking annoyed if that had been against us. it is never a pen. The rules quoted above do not make it clear and Ayew is pretty near when he flicks it up. I just don’t see him being in an unnatural position or moving his hand to the ball. I've watched the incident a few times, as I'm sure many people have, and his hand definitely moves towards the ball, albeit minimal and NOT deliberate, which definitely changes the direction of the ball.. it is harsh but the rule is what it is, like it or not.. personally I don't like it but have seen many similar given against our boys and was totally p*ssed off.. some dodgy ones at ManUre too, so what goes around comes around..
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Ringmer, Lewes, East Sussex 22 Sep 20 10.07am

Originally posted by uncleneal

I would be fracking annoyed if that had been against us. it is never a pen.

The rules quoted above do not make it clear and Ayew is pretty near when he flicks it up. I just don’t see him being in an unnatural position or moving his hand to the ball.

I've watched the incident a few times, as I'm sure many people have, and his hand definitely moves towards the ball, albeit minimal and NOT deliberate, which definitely changes the direction of the ball.. it is harsh but the rule is what it is, like it or not.. personally I don't like it but have seen many similar given against our boys and was totally p*ssed off.. some dodgy ones at ManUre too, so what goes around comes around..

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taylors lovechild 22 Sep 20 10.38am
If you apply the rules as they are now it's a penalty; whether that is considered fair is another matter. The same with the GK coming off the line. Personally, in their efforts to make these things clearer they've taken away the ability to interpret intention and whether it gave an advantage, but so long as they are the rules it was a penalty and the retake was legitimate. I will say that we have fallen foul to dubious penalty decisions against the big clubs in the past before the advent of VAR, so I have zero sympathy.
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If you apply the rules as they are now it's a penalty; whether that is considered fair is another matter. The same with the GK coming off the line. Personally, in their efforts to make these things clearer they've taken away the ability to interpret intention and whether it gave an advantage, but so long as they are the rules it was a penalty and the retake was legitimate. I will say that we have fallen foul to dubious penalty decisions against the big clubs in the past before the advent of VAR, so I have zero sympathy.

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cpj Kent 22 Sep 20 11.17am
Supposedly Zaha, as captain, said to Ayew to take the penalty as he had won it. Does that mean we did not have a designated penalty taker going into the match? If so that seems very amateurish.
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Kent 22 Sep 20 11.17am

Supposedly Zaha, as captain, said to Ayew to take the penalty as he had won it. Does that mean we did not have a designated penalty taker going into the match? If so that seems very amateurish.

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pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 22 Sep 20 11.27am
I wonder if it would have been given if there were 75,000 fans in the stadium and the referee had Fergie glaring at him. I’m guessing not.
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Relocated to Shropshire 22 Sep 20 11.27am

I wonder if it would have been given if there were 75,000 fans in the stadium and the referee had Fergie glaring at him. I’m guessing not.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 22 Sep 20 11.55am
Originally posted by McPalace It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said No, also a terrible decision. I believe that luck evens itself out over the course of a season, but your response misses the point. We're going through far too many long winded reviews which is taking the enjoyment away for the fans. I've totally stopped watching VAR football now unless its Palace. I used to watch any game. The rules have become too penal and VAR is massively overused. You can't celebrate goals anymore because you half expect that the goal will be disallowed for a deflection off someone's shoulder 30 seconds before the goal down the other end of the pitch. What is a 'natural body position' when you're flying out to block a shot? When I used to play football I certainly didn't do it with my arms glued to my body or behind my back.
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The Cronx 22 Sep 20 11.55am

Originally posted by McPalace

It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said

No, also a terrible decision. I believe that luck evens itself out over the course of a season, but your response misses the point.

We're going through far too many long winded reviews which is taking the enjoyment away for the fans. I've totally stopped watching VAR football now unless its Palace. I used to watch any game.

The rules have become too penal and VAR is massively overused. You can't celebrate goals anymore because you half expect that the goal will be disallowed for a deflection off someone's shoulder 30 seconds before the goal down the other end of the pitch.

What is a 'natural body position' when you're flying out to block a shot? When I used to play football I certainly didn't do it with my arms glued to my body or behind my back.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Sep 20 6.29pm
Originally posted by cpj Supposedly Zaha, as captain, said to Ayew to take the penalty as he had won it. Does that mean we did not have a designated penalty taker going into the match? If so that seems very amateurish. I think Zaha said that Ayew asked him if he could take it and Zaha said yes, which infers either that Zaha, as captain, would decide who would take any pens or that Zaha was the chosen pen taker. It's possibly the latter given that Hodgson was urging Zaha to take the second attempt. Edited by doombear (22 Sep 2020 6.30pm)
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Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Sep 20 6.29pm

Originally posted by cpj

Supposedly Zaha, as captain, said to Ayew to take the penalty as he had won it. Does that mean we did not have a designated penalty taker going into the match? If so that seems very amateurish.

I think Zaha said that Ayew asked him if he could take it and Zaha said yes, which infers either that Zaha, as captain, would decide who would take any pens or that Zaha was the chosen pen taker. It's possibly the latter given that Hodgson was urging Zaha to take the second attempt.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Sep 20 6.47pm
Originally posted by McPalace It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said funnily enough i thought as that time it evened out sakhos decision against villa. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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Originally posted by McPalace

It is more of a penalty than the one that was given against Sakho against Villa last season. So enough said

funnily enough i thought as that time it evened out sakhos decision against villa.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Ketteridge Brighton 22 Sep 20 7.26pm
Originally posted by pompeyeagle I wonder if it would have been given if there were 75,000 fans in the stadium and the referee had Fergie glaring at him. I’m guessing not. Thought the same thing, but then couldn't be bothered looking it up beyond a quick google search ( i'm not Mattteo) and found this [Link] stand out paragraph 'Most notably there was an incredible 10 year run – from December 1993 to April 2004 – when not a single penalty was scored against United in a Premier League match at Old Trafford.' One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Brighton 22 Sep 20 7.26pm

Originally posted by pompeyeagle

I wonder if it would have been given if there were 75,000 fans in the stadium and the referee had Fergie glaring at him. I’m guessing not.

Thought the same thing, but then couldn't be bothered looking it up beyond a quick google search ( i'm not Mattteo) and found this [Link] stand out paragraph 'Most notably there was an incredible 10 year run – from December 1993 to April 2004 – when not a single penalty was scored against United in a Premier League match at Old Trafford.'

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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cryrst The garden of England 22 Sep 20 7.32pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine No, also a terrible decision. I believe that luck evens itself out over the course of a season, but your response misses the point. We're going through far too many long winded reviews which is taking the enjoyment away for the fans. I've totally stopped watching VAR football now unless its Palace. I used to watch any game. The rules have become too penal and VAR is massively overused. You can't celebrate goals anymore because you half expect that the goal will be disallowed for a deflection off someone's shoulder 30 seconds before the goal down the other end of the pitch. What is a 'natural body position' when you're flying out to block a shot? When I used to play football I certainly didn't do it with my arms glued to my body or behind my back. Tbh GM I think the opposite. VAR has actually made the game better in respect of fairness. Crowds cannot now determine a decision. Ok C19 recently but even last season prior decisions were correct in the main. Us at wet spam with ayews goal. Black and white, no way to say he wasnt on side. Lots at stake and now only issue is subjective decisions but how is that any different to the past.
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The garden of England 22 Sep 20 7.32pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

No, also a terrible decision. I believe that luck evens itself out over the course of a season, but your response misses the point.

We're going through far too many long winded reviews which is taking the enjoyment away for the fans. I've totally stopped watching VAR football now unless its Palace. I used to watch any game.

What is a 'natural body position' when you're flying out to block a shot? When I used to play football I certainly didn't do it with my arms glued to my body or behind my back.

Tbh GM I think the opposite.
VAR has actually made the game better in respect of fairness. Crowds cannot now determine a decision.
Ok C19 recently but even last season prior decisions were correct in the main.
Us at wet spam with ayews goal. Black and white, no way to say he wasnt on side.
Lots at stake and now only issue is subjective decisions but how is that any different to the past.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 22 Sep 20 8.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst Tbh GM I think the opposite. VAR has actually made the game better in respect of fairness. Crowds cannot now determine a decision. Ok C19 recently but even last season prior decisions were correct in the main. Us at wet spam with ayews goal. Black and white, no way to say he wasnt on side. Lots at stake and now only issue is subjective decisions but how is that any different to the past. We differ as you believe there is a big club bias, whilst I don’t. In the past, we weren’t scrutinising every decision from every angle trying to find a reason to rule out a goal or award a penalty. I’m all for correcting a clear and obvious error but I’m against trying to find an error to rectify. There was nothing that United defender could/should have done differently and no one even considered it could be a penalty, players included. Happy to get that in our favour of course, but it’s not right. The new rules are baffling.
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The Cronx 22 Sep 20 8.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

We differ as you believe there is a big club bias, whilst I don’t.

In the past, we weren’t scrutinising every decision from every angle trying to find a reason to rule out a goal or award a penalty. I’m all for correcting a clear and obvious error but I’m against trying to find an error to rectify.

There was nothing that United defender could/should have done differently and no one even considered it could be a penalty, players included.

Happy to get that in our favour of course, but it’s not right. The new rules are baffling.

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