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lefty27 Flag ipswich 07 Aug 20 1.59pm Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

If you read the above article it shows that basically where we are is a club is about right. Most of our income is tv money and financially we are a lower mid table premier league club.
We don’t buy the best players because we can’t afford them and ultimately SP is running the club within its means.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Aug 20 2.06pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

1 word: scouting

Another word: facilities

I agree with the poor scouting and have mentioned it previously. We seem to think the old boys network is fine but it isn't. We just buy from word of mouth or who we are offered. This has to come down to Dougie. For me, he is not the answer to transfers.

But facilities too. A player comes to our offices in a portacabin to sign his contract. We have managed to install a gym somewhere in some space designed for something else, plus our stadium is uninspiring.
Then look at other sides. Custom made multi million pound training and physio facilities. Office blocks and fancy hotels in some grounds. Look at our players lounge or club shop in comparison to anyone else (including plenty of championship sides).
You're a young player, do you sign here or for West Ham at the London Stadium and all of its facilities? They may be sh1t and have no heart but nearly all the teams are a more attractive prospect for a player currently.
Glad we are gradually upgrading but a heck of a way to go. Slow progress, considering the last 8 years.

 


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Putitout Flag Oxford 07 Aug 20 2.24pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

If you avoid relegation you are established . Establishment only ever lasts until you get relegated. Ask Stoke, they were a fixture for a while. Villa, were once established in many people’s eyes. Only the mega wealthy can claim to be safely established long term.

Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 2.24pm)

Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 2.30pm)

 

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Uphill Flag Bedford 07 Aug 20 2.41pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

1. Ground and facilities
2. A manager past his prime
3. (at the moment) unattractive playing style
4. Conservative owner who occasionally loses it (Benteke, Sakho)
5. Most southerly of the 12 London teams
6. Not that easy to get to
7. 'As long as we stay up' attitude.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Aug 20 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Passion

Are you being sarcastic or are you really silly enough to believe that rubbish? Any team that has been up in the Premier league more then 2 season HAS money. The club gets a considerable amount just for staying up. We are loaded. We have a very tight consortium. We have money, we just never spend any.

Either you haven't been keeping up or you have very little grasp of finances. Can I interest you in a loan?

 

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The Beger Flag Croydon 07 Aug 20 3.01pm Send a Private Message to The Beger Add The Beger as a friend

Only 7 teams in the EPL are truly established, the big 6 and Everton. Every other team is one bad season away from relegation, regardless of how much money they spend to reach the so-called "next level".

FFP, instigated by the establishment elite, has effectively shut the door on all but a handful of teams breaking into that exclusive club on a permanent basis.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 07 Aug 20 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

If you avoid relegation you are established . Establishment only ever lasts until you get relegated. Ask Stoke, they were a fixture for a while. Villa, were once established in many people’s eyes. Only the mega wealthy can claim to be safely established long term.

Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 2.24pm)

Edited by Putitout (07 Aug 2020 2.30pm)

Let's not argue over the definition of established. It's pretty clear from the OP that what he is looking for is reasons why, after an extended period in the PL, we have not grown as a club. This topic has been discussed many times before and its not an easy one to answer.

As others have pointed out, it's not just staying in the PL that is an indicator of growth, I would argue that in 7 years we should by now, have better training/academy facilities sorted, a proper scouting network that brings in players who we can turn at a profit and most importantly we should be a lot further down the road with the ground improvements.

I appreciate that some of these matters are being attended to albeit slowly, however we are still not the attraction we should be given we are the only PL team in South London. We should have schools and colleges on a short leash for talent in the south London Boroughs, Kent and East Surrey but we inevitably lose out as many turn us down, probably because they consider us unfashionable.

 

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davehuggins Flag 07 Aug 20 3.34pm Send a Private Message to davehuggins Add davehuggins as a friend

IMO very poor management of recruitment with NO clear picture of the future. Most managers we recruit are brought in to firefight relegation. We need a clear way forward with the correct people investing in the club and that is not an easy ask!

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 07 Aug 20 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Another word: facilities

I agree with the poor scouting and have mentioned it previously. We seem to think the old boys network is fine but it isn't. We just buy from word of mouth or who we are offered. This has to come down to Dougie. For me, he is not the answer to transfers.

But facilities too. A player comes to our offices in a portacabin to sign his contract. We have managed to install a gym somewhere in some space designed for something else, plus our stadium is uninspiring.
Then look at other sides. Custom made multi million pound training and physio facilities. Office blocks and fancy hotels in some grounds. Look at our players lounge or club shop in comparison to anyone else (including plenty of championship sides).
You're a young player, do you sign here or for West Ham at the London Stadium and all of its facilities? They may be sh1t and have no heart but nearly all the teams are a more attractive prospect for a player currently.
Glad we are gradually upgrading but a heck of a way to go. Slow progress, considering the last 8 years.

Good point. I live just down the road from Ashton Gate in Bristol and their stadium has probably had more renovation over the period we have been in the PL than Selhurst. Clearly we have overspent on player's wages, as that can be the only reason why we have struggled in the transfer market and to not grow the stadium facilities.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 07 Aug 20 5.09pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by RyWa

The issue is that 75-80% of our income goes out on wages..we've hugely overpaid players for doing mediocre jobs.
Like stated above, until we get that down, we are effectively cash poor.

Most businesses pay more in wages than anything.
8-10% profit will keep you afloat. Of the remainder 3/4 will be wages I reckon.

 

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lefty27 Flag ipswich 07 Aug 20 5.26pm Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Most businesses pay more in wages than anything.
8-10% profit will keep you afloat. Of the remainder 3/4 will be wages I reckon.


Football isn’t ‘most businesses’ .
Outside of football a wage to turnover ratio of more than 50% is unusual. There are though a few football clubs that have a lowing wages to turnover ratio, Spurs are 38%.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 07 Aug 20 7.31pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Money primarily, the Premiership is a mercenary place where money buys short term loyalty. Long term planning, and a definitive "Palace" playing style. To date we've had Holloway, Pulis, Pardew, Allerdyce, De Boer, and Hodgson plug gamely away just to tread water. Parish has only just got round to upgrading the Academy and Selhurst Park has had zero investment. We've stood still, and are slowly sliding backwards.

 

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