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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.05am
Originally posted by beak So we need to relocate to Divison Three South and play five forwards and no offside, sorry time has moved on perhaps you should move with it. You sound like my dear wife who often calls me a "Stick-in the mud" irascible old chap who is stuck in the dark ages and is often NO lighthouse of joy.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.05am

Originally posted by beak

So we need to relocate to Divison Three South and play five forwards and no offside, sorry time has moved on perhaps you should move with it.

You sound like my dear wife who often calls me a "Stick-in the mud" irascible old chap who is stuck in the dark ages and is often NO lighthouse of joy.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 17 Jul 20 11.13am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill He didn't have the opportunity Correct he only had 5 games in total with 4 loses and 1 win so that is a better record already. losing 6 in a row is unacceptable (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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grumpymort

US/Thailand/UK 17 Jul 20 11.13am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

He didn't have the opportunity

Correct he only had 5 games in total with 4 loses and 1 win so that is a better record already.

losing 6 in a row is unacceptable

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PatrickA London 17 Jul 20 11.13am
Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer. For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR. He is very talented with good attacking skills. However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline. Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present.
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London 17 Jul 20 11.13am

Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer.
For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR.
He is very talented with good attacking skills.
However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline.
Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present.

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palace chick South Croydon 17 Jul 20 11.25am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win? I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown. People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances. Those 4 points between Villa and Burnley would have been acceptable as well. Trouble is, like all the other games (other than Bournemouth 1st half) we have been awful or played top 6 Sides who didn’t have to play at 100% to win. If we had got those 4 points together with the 42 we would have accepted that as progress. However not looking like we will get any points since that Bournemouth match we are heading for a bad next season.
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palace chick

South Croydon 17 Jul 20 11.25am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win?
I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown.

People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances.

Those 4 points between Villa and Burnley would have been acceptable as well. Trouble is, like all the other games (other than Bournemouth 1st half) we have been awful or played top 6 Sides who didn’t have to play at 100% to win. If we had got those 4 points together with the 42 we would have accepted that as progress. However not looking like we will get any points since that Bournemouth match we are heading for a bad next season.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.33am
Originally posted by PatrickA Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer. For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR. He is very talented with good attacking skills. However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline. Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present. There is a certain perception about Hodgson. I heard the view expressed the other day that Hodgson would feel far more comfortable playing Chris Brunt (35) and Gareth Barry 38, next season, with their experience, than take a chance on younger players! Edited by Willo (17 Jul 2020 11.34am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.33am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer.
For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR.
He is very talented with good attacking skills.
However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline.
Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present.

There is a certain perception about Hodgson.

I heard the view expressed the other day that Hodgson would feel far more comfortable playing Chris Brunt (35) and Gareth Barry 38, next season, with their experience, than take a chance on younger players!

Edited by Willo (17 Jul 2020 11.34am)

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gerry theagle newbury 17 Jul 20 11.34am
Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season.
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newbury 17 Jul 20 11.34am

Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.43am
Originally posted by gerry theagle Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season. I think that 'Grumpy' and I would get on like a house on fire! Only the other day my dear wife said she would be looking for a T-Shirt for me emblazoned with the words "Miserable as sin".
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.43am

Originally posted by gerry theagle

Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season.

I think that 'Grumpy' and I would get on like a house on fire!

Only the other day my dear wife said she would be looking for a T-Shirt for me emblazoned with the words "Miserable as sin".

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Booted Eagle Bristol 17 Jul 20 11.55am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win? I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown. People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances. Loss of Tomo has been a big blow at the back as well. My choice for CB pairings. However we do usually fair well at the end of the season, apart from Pards reign, where we took that form into the next season !?! With 2 tough games to come, right to raise a few eyebrows but we will have to see how we shape up at the beginning of next season. Hopefully with a solid back 4 and some new attacking options. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 17 Jul 20 11.55am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win?
I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown.

People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances.

Loss of Tomo has been a big blow at the back as well. My choice for CB pairings. However we do usually fair well at the end of the season, apart from Pards reign, where we took that form into the next season !?! With 2 tough games to come, right to raise a few eyebrows but we will have to see how we shape up at the beginning of next season. Hopefully with a solid back 4 and some new attacking options.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 12.03pm
Roy Hodgson is a gentleman of honour and erudition and one of unimpeachable integrity.He is a pillar of society and someone who cuts a figure of dignified propriety.Decency oozes from every pore. He is an experienced and well-respected coach with admirers from those in football around the globe. It really would be a terrible shame if on the back of some negative results he suffered the ignominy of the sack or indeed relegation in what will probably be his last season in football, a game he has served with great distinction. Let's hope this fate does not befall Hodgson and he can bow out with his head held high.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 12.03pm

Roy Hodgson is a gentleman of honour and erudition and one of unimpeachable integrity.He is a pillar of society and someone who cuts a figure of dignified propriety.Decency oozes from every pore.
He is an experienced and well-respected coach with admirers from those in football around the globe.

It really would be a terrible shame if on the back of some negative results he suffered the ignominy of the sack or indeed relegation in what will probably be his last season in football, a game he has served with great distinction.
Let's hope this fate does not befall Hodgson and he can bow out with his head held high.

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beak croydon 17 Jul 20 12.07pm
Originally posted by Willo You sound like my dear wife who often calls me a "Stick-in the mud" irascible old chap who is stuck in the dark ages and is often NO lighthouse of joy. At this juncture I wish to state irrevocably that we are not married.
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beak

croydon 17 Jul 20 12.07pm

Originally posted by Willo

You sound like my dear wife who often calls me a "Stick-in the mud" irascible old chap who is stuck in the dark ages and is often NO lighthouse of joy.

At this juncture I wish to state irrevocably that we are not married.

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rollercoaster Cornwall 17 Jul 20 12.14pm
"I wish he wouldn't play the same players and the same way..." Seems to me we have about 13 Prem class players a few who can step up for a few games and that is about it. I really don't think you can blame the manager for playing the same players and the tactics that will work for them. Did anybody notice last night when we attacked with a few players how easily our slow defence were found out. Must have been 7 or 8 occasions when ManU were one ball away from an easy chance on the break. Yes, we played some attacking stuff which was great but were too easily caught out. This is why the manager chooses the tactics he does. So for me, the fault lies fairly and squarely with our recruitment and the manager does the best job he can. Yes, Kane, Iceland blah blah, every player, every manager, has the odd bad game, get over it!!!
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rollercoaster

Cornwall 17 Jul 20 12.14pm

"I wish he wouldn't play the same players and the same way..."
Seems to me we have about 13 Prem class players a few who can step up for a few games and that is about it. I really don't think you can blame the manager for playing the same players and the tactics that will work for them.

Did anybody notice last night when we attacked with a few players how easily our slow defence were found out. Must have been 7 or 8 occasions when ManU were one ball away from an easy chance on the break. Yes, we played some attacking stuff which was great but were too easily caught out. This is why the manager chooses the tactics he does.
So for me, the fault lies fairly and squarely with our recruitment and the manager does the best job he can.

Yes, Kane, Iceland blah blah, every player, every manager, has the odd bad game, get over it!!!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 12.14pm
Originally posted by beak At this juncture I wish to state irrevocably that we are not married. I think it is important that any such thoughts by those on HOL are immediately banished.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 12.14pm

Originally posted by beak

At this juncture I wish to state irrevocably that we are not married.

I think it is important that any such thoughts by those on HOL are immediately banished.

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