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jamiemartin721  Reading 13 Sep 16 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Hemingway's Death in the Afternoon is a great read on the subject. By all accounts,the bulls are treated really well, up until they fight anyway! Its a great novel, but of its time and place. Back then, treating other people with dignity and respect was a novel idea, let alone animals.
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 Stuk Top half 13 Sep 16 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Barcelona Based Fan
I would happily pay to watch if I knew that the Matador or those horsemen who tire the poor Bull out and stick spears in to them got killed instead of the poor knackered Bull! Picadors. A matador got killed fairly recently I think.
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Pussay Patrol  13 Sep 16 2.00pm |
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If the Spanish wanted to abolish it it's up to them, got nothing to do with us. It's their heritage, culture and history, it's not our place to dictate to others how their society should behave. If it's a choice between allowing a sport with hundreds of years of history and part of their fabric going or keeping a bunch of tree huggers happy, I know which side i'm on
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| Midlands Eagle 13 Sep 16 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
If the Spanish wanted to abolish it it's up to them, got nothing to do with us. It's their heritage, culture and history, it's not our place to dictate to others how their society should behave. Interesting concept. There was an item on News at Ten last night about Female Genital Mutilation which seems to be part of the Somali culture. Should we be turning a blind eye to that as well and perhaps arranged marriages too on the basis that we shouldn't be dictating our lifestyles on other cultures.
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| Stuk Top half 13 Sep 16 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Interesting concept. There was an item on News at Ten last night about Female Genital Mutilation which seems to be part of the Somali culture. Should we be turning a blind eye to that as well and perhaps arranged marriages too on the basis that we shouldn't be dictating our lifestyles on other cultures. More religious than cultural isn't it? It goes on in many other places too, including Russia. And we do make ridiculous exceptions from decency or common sense for religions.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 16 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Isn't fox hunting legal again? Cruelty, in all forms, demeans us, irrespective of our excuses. But there is a special abhorrence for those who inflict cruelty for sport, on 'lesser' species and then try to vindicate it as acceptable. Halal and Kosher aren't in any way necessities of the Jewish and Muslim faith.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Sep 16 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
If the Spanish wanted to abolish it it's up to them, got nothing to do with us. It's their heritage, culture and history, it's not our place to dictate to others how their society should behave. If it's a choice between allowing a sport with hundreds of years of history and part of their fabric going or keeping a bunch of tree huggers happy, I know which side i'm on You could have said that about apartheid. I see nothing wrong with expressing a moral viewpoint. The Spanish would end the practice if enough people objected to it in Spain via the democratic process.
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Sep 16 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Interesting concept. There was an item on News at Ten last night about Female Genital Mutilation which seems to be part of the Somali culture. Should we be turning a blind eye to that as well and perhaps arranged marriages too on the basis that we shouldn't be dictating our lifestyles on other cultures. Yes I firmly believe that, but your example is more to do with Somali people who live here and that brings you to the debate about integration. It's not accepted if Somalis want to live in our society. What they do in their own country is, like I said, their own prerogative. Do Spanish come to the UK and want to build a bullfighting ring ? No, exactly
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 16 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Yes I firmly believe that, but your example is more to do with Somali people who live here and that brings you to the debate about integration. It's not accepted if Somalis want to live in our society. What they do in their own country is, like I said, their own prerogative. Do Spanish come to the UK and want to build a bullfighting ring ? No, exactly What about the Bullring in Brum?
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Kermit8  Hevon 13 Sep 16 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
If the Spanish wanted to abolish it it's up to them, got nothing to do with us. It's their heritage, culture and history, it's not our place to dictate to others how their society should behave. If it's a choice between allowing a sport with hundreds of years of history and part of their fabric going or keeping a bunch of tree huggers happy, I know which side i'm on That would have been sedition talk not that long ago! We were bloody good at it during the days of Empire and with the Christian Missionaries. To the dungeon with you.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 16 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Yes I firmly believe that, but your example is more to do with Somali people who live here and that brings you to the debate about integration. It's not accepted if Somalis want to live in our society. What they do in their own country is, like I said, their own prerogative. Do Spanish come to the UK and want to build a bullfighting ring ? No, exactly F**k them, they're wrong. Same with people cutting up girls v*****s. Who gives a f**k about culture, tradition or the like when its indefensible. The old last refuge of the scoundrel.
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coulsdoneagle  London 13 Sep 16 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
More religious than cultural isn't it? It goes on in many other places too, including Russia. And we do make ridiculous exceptions from decency or common sense for religions. No it's more cultural than religious in regards to FGM as it is practised by Muslims and Christians alike despite no calls for it being part of either religion other than a brief allusion in the Haddiths
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