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silvertop Portishead 13 Jul 16 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
He's had many chances, he has lots of friends, he has a loving family which he abused, many opportunities to get help, he takes the easy way out rather confront his demons An addiction yes and I sympathise but also a bit of selfishness as well
Those willing to help him will be sucked into his life as co-dependents and dragged down and down. They will be abused and misused and live a life of abject misery. If he can't overcome this demon alone, he needs to be either with professional carers; or he must find a hole to go and die in.
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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jul 16 9.59am | |
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Football skill aside he's pretty much wasted the last 20 years. Also remember his binges with Evans, Baker, etc. Almost like he drank as much as he possibly could even before alcoholism kicked in. That was his choice. Could have been a pundit, could have been a football coach, could have been a sports writer for the nation, could have been a ticket collector at Fulham Broadway Station. He looks like he's a chronic alky now not your still functioning one. Think all he can do is try to manage the shakes the best he can with help and wait to die.
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Catfish Burgess Hill 13 Jul 16 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Football skill aside he's pretty much wasted the last 20 years. Also remember his binges with Evans, Baker, etc. Almost like he drank as much as he possibly could even before alcoholism kicked in. That was his choice. Could have been a pundit, could have been a football coach, could have been a sports writer for the nation, could have been a ticket collector at Fulham Broadway Station. He looks like he's a chronic alky now not your still functioning one. Think all he can do is try to manage the shakes the best he can with help and wait to die. Are you absolutely sure that you want to be a Samaritan?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jul 16 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Football skill aside he's pretty much wasted the last 20 years. Also remember his binges with Evans, Baker, etc. Almost like he drank as much as he possibly could even before alcoholism kicked in. That was his choice. Could have been a pundit, could have been a football coach, could have been a sports writer for the nation, could have been a ticket collector at Fulham Broadway Station. He looks like he's a chronic alky now not your still functioning one. Think all he can do is try to manage the shakes the best he can with help and wait to die. I don't think alcoholism just kicks in. Most of the alcoholics I know, and I know a lot as my father has been in AA for over 40 years, drank a lot before anyone diagnosed them as alcoholics. The problem exists possibly even before they take their first drink. That said, I have little sympathy now for Gazza, its really down to him now. No one can do it for you, it has to be something you have to do for yourself - Pleasing others is just an excuse addicts use to 'get clean for a bit' before going back. The sad thing, is that not everyone can be saved, and society may be better of at the present, focusing on someone else who could use the help now, to kick the habit, who is ready to do it, rather than the celebrity f**k up, who's isn't. One of the biggest problem in getting people clean is the delay between them wanting to get clean, and the availability of rehab facilities. Same with the homeless etc, there is a very limited window where the will to change dissolves into learned helplessness.
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Midlands Eagle 13 Jul 16 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Football skill aside he's pretty much wasted the last 20 years. Also remember his binges with Evans, Baker, etc. Almost like he drank as much as he possibly could even before alcoholism kicked in. That was his choice. Could have been a pundit, could have been a football coach, could have been a sports writer for the nation, could have been a ticket collector at Fulham Broadway Station. The big difference between Gazza and his two binge drinking partners Chris Evans and Danny Baker is that they were in the middle of successful careers whilst Gazza was yesterday's man. Many sportsmen find it very difficult to adjust from being a well known and high profile sportsman where everything is done for you to yesterday's hero. For some reason cricketers seem to have an even greater problem adjusting with an alarming number ending up committing suicide including David Bairstow the father of England's Jonny Bairstow
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masonic_palace Gatport Airwick 13 Jul 16 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Could have been a pundit, could have been a football coach, could have been a sports writer for the nation, could have been a ticket collector at Fulham Broadway Station. What a waste!
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chris123 hove actually 13 Jul 16 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by masonic_palace
What a waste! Safer than a driver in an articulated lorry.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 13 Jul 16 11.52am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The big difference between Gazza and his two binge drinking partners Chris Evans and Danny Baker is that they were in the middle of successful careers whilst Gazza was yesterday's man. Many sportsmen find it very difficult to adjust from being a well known and high profile sportsman where everything is done for you to yesterday's hero. For some reason cricketers seem to have an even greater problem adjusting with an alarming number ending up committing suicide including David Bairstow the father of England's Jonny Bairstow I think it is a problem but Gazza has always had an tendency towards addiction. It was just that while playing football he had a potentially productive avenue into which he could channel that tendency. Without that, he has spiralled. Don't think it helped that the self destructive behaviour was laughed off in the early/mid nineties as just 'Gazza being Gazza', not the start of something serious that it obviously was.
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silvertop Portishead 13 Jul 16 11.53am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The big difference between Gazza and his two binge drinking partners Chris Evans and Danny Baker is that they were in the middle of successful careers whilst Gazza was yesterday's man. Many sportsmen find it very difficult to adjust from being a well known and high profile sportsman where everything is done for you to yesterday's hero. For some reason cricketers seem to have an even greater problem adjusting with an alarming number ending up committing suicide including David Bairstow the father of England's Jonny Bairstow
It is down to inheritance. Look at cultures who were introduced to alcohol by us Westerners. Whether Native American or Aboriginal Australian they had no congenital ability to cope with alcohol. Likewise individuals. I suspect Gazza, like my dad, inherited such a poor ability to physically deal with both the effect of booze and its addictive qualities.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jul 16 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
It is down to inheritance. Look at cultures who were introduced to alcohol by us Westerners. Whether Native American or Aboriginal Australian they had no congenital ability to cope with alcohol. Likewise individuals. I suspect Gazza, like my dad, inherited such a poor ability to physically deal with both the effect of booze and its addictive qualities. I think its probably a bit of genetics, a bit of social environment and a bit of psychology combined. I've had problems with addiction, but found that treatment for clinical depression mitigated that a lot. People become addicts because of something within themselves, which alcohol appeals, such as depression, or trauma, or abuse or self hate etc and that oblivion of drinking away that feeling, is the key to resolving peoples addiction. Its not the booze, although anyone can become addicted, its the psychological dependency. You see this with people who are on morphine for pain, only some of them have long term problems, with opiates, other than physical addiction. The pleasure factor, I think, cannot be overstated - That anything that treats our psychological issues, is by default very attractive to us. For me, addiction to stimulants, was massively resolved through treating and medications for depression. I'd been using opiates as well, but that wasn't a problem, and booze never really has been either, and since even stimulants have no real appeal.
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Michaelawt85 Bexley 13 Jul 16 7.19pm | |
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Fundamentally I believe that alcoholism is a disease, some can over come it some can't much like any illness. To say he needs good friends is complete tosh. First off all but his very bestest of friends will have given up on the cycle of booze, pity , want to give it up, fall off the wagon and so the wheel goes round again. You also have to factor in the fact that a he'll of a lot of problem drinkers, and both functioning and chronic alcoholics surround themselves with enablers and like minded people who are in similar states themselves and don't know what to do or don't actually think there's much wrong with him. I have had and continue at times to have first hand experience of the trauma and problems which comes with living with someone who has a problem with alcohol. It eventually destroys everything in its path , ultimatum, threats, begging , pleading and all the rest makes sod all difference unless the person wants to actually stop and makes actions to stop. They will find any and every excuse in the book for drinking.. happy have a drink to celebrate, sad drown your sorrows, hot ... I need a drink to cool down. Cold out... keep warm in front of the fire in the pub. Orchestrate an argument at home so they can storm out to the pub the list goes on. Eventually there comes a time for the people connected to either stay and watch it unfold powerless or to take steps to help themselves and they leave or cut off contact.
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