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 matt_himself  Matataland 02 Feb 16 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In fairness of compromise, could we include Sunderland and Port Talbot to balance up the deal? I think if compromise was needed, Br*ghton and Bermondsey would be more appropriate targets we handover to the faceless bureaucrats in Brussels.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Feb 16 5.38pm |
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He should tell Germany that if they don't agree to our demands, we'll change our law so that they have to refund, in full, anyone who purchased a dodgy VW. And pay compensation for f***ing up our clean air targets, that the EU fined us hundreds of millions for.
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| nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 02 Feb 16 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The problem that Cameron has is that the interests of many 'euro issue' political groups and people, are ideological, they want out of the EU irrespective of any concessions (or they want the EU to serve the interests of the UK first and foremost). As the second largest net contributor to the EU's budget, why shouldn't we expect it to serve the interests of the UK first and foremost? The French don't seem to have a problem putting their interests first, and they receive more than they pay in. At the very least, we should have much more influence in how the EU operates, and not have to go crawling, begging to them for what ended up being a pathetic attempt at a renegotiation.
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| davenotamonkey 02 Feb 16 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by nhp61
As the second largest net contributor to the EU's budget, why shouldn't we expect it to serve the interests of the UK first and foremost? The French don't seem to have a problem putting their interests first, and they receive more than they pay in. At the very least, we should have much more influence in how the EU operates, and not have to go crawling, begging to them for what ended up being a pathetic attempt at a renegotiation. Correction here - France are also (very much) net contributors. If memory serves, a very close 3rd to our 2nd.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 02 Feb 16 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Correction here - France are also (very much) net contributors. If memory serves, a very close 3rd to our 2nd. As I remember Germany is first (nearly double the second country), France second, then Britain and Italy 3rd and 4th, on roughly the same level. Whatever way you spin it though, we are a substantial net contributor.
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| davenotamonkey 02 Feb 16 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
As I remember Germany is first (nearly double the second country), France second, then Britain and Italy 3rd and 4th, on roughly the same level. Whatever way you spin it though, we are a substantial net contributor. Select "Operating budgetary balance" and "sort" We are 3rd in this list, but of course they are sneaky - this does not include the £1.7bn payment that topcat mentioned here: Not only does this increase our net payment to the EU budget, but this money also went back to Germany, France and the Netherlands as a rebate, thus lowering their net contribution - it pushed us into 2nd place when I worked out the rebates. The chart for the previous years are here: We were 2nd largest contributor in 2013 and 3rd in 2012.
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| Stuk Top half 02 Feb 16 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
As I remember Germany is first (nearly double the second country), France second, then Britain and Italy 3rd and 4th, on roughly the same level. Whatever way you spin it though, we are a substantial net contributor. And they all export more to us than we do to them. Which puts us in the more favourable position when it comes to making trade agreements. We are constantly told these would be a problem if we left the EU, which is bollocks.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 02 Feb 16 8.51pm |
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Piss poor by Cameron (as per usual). He'll try and spin it as a victory, but it isn't- it's a firm middle finger at the UK from the rest of Europe. Cameron seemed to be going into this with a 'the EU needs us more than we need them' attitude, and the EU have called his bluff. I'm sure all his big business chums will have a few words though, and from now until the referendum (whenever it may be) we'll have Murdoch's media screaming at us about the doom and disaster that will befall if we leave the EU. I'm actually pro European generally, but not THIS current EU. Too much corruption, pettiness and blind stupidity, along with naked national interest by every country (the UK as much, perhaps more, than anyone). The EU has called Cameron's bluff. I'm betting he's too weak to bluff right back and will fold.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 16 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Piss poor by Cameron (as per usual). He'll try and spin it as a victory, but it isn't- it's a firm middle finger at the UK from the rest of Europe. Cameron seemed to be going into this with a 'the EU needs us more than we need them' attitude, and the EU have called his bluff. I'm sure all his big business chums will have a few words though, and from now until the referendum (whenever it may be) we'll have Murdoch's media screaming at us about the doom and disaster that will befall if we leave the EU. I'm actually pro European generally, but not THIS current EU. Too much corruption, pettiness and blind stupidity, along with naked national interest by every country (the UK as much, perhaps more, than anyone). The EU has called Cameron's bluff. I'm betting he's too weak to bluff right back and will fold.
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| leifandersonshair Newport 02 Feb 16 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
He has failed. He will tell us that we are better in than out. Just like the Google tax issue- pretending a crap situation is a big success. For undecided voters, we'll get non stop scare stories in the right wing media and carefully spun 'facts' to put a positive spin on these (failed?) re-negotiations.
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Feb 16 9.55pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
He has failed. He will tell us that we are better in than out. Just like the Google tax issue- pretending a crap situation is a big success. For undecided voters, we'll get non stop scare stories in the right wing media and carefully spun 'facts' to put a positive spin on these (failed?) re-negotiations.
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| rob1969 Banstead Surrey 02 Feb 16 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
We probably will not be better off - could even be a little worse off economically If economy is your concern then safer to stay in EU. However those who would prefer to leave generally have other priorities apart from economics.
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