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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 02 Nov 15 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Demonising any food group is stupid

People have finally realised that saturated fat is not the devil

How would you apply a sugar tax? On sugar itself? Maltose, dextrose, lactose etc?

Education is what is required, how to cook, what a healthy diet should look like. Including all the macros, there's been too many scares over the years, often perpetrated by companies with their own agenda. Very little research is truly independent

There has to be an acceptance that some people are just lazy. Should these people be incentivised/penalised? Probably but how? That's another story

 


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-TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 02 Nov 15 8.14pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

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Quote johnfirewall at 02 Nov 2015 5.32pm

On one hand you've got Jamie Oliver backing a sugar tax and on the other you've got Jamelia being attacked for saying we shouldn't 'facilitate people living an unhealthy lifestyle'.

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Does this sort of liberal bulls*** not actually exacerbate the problem?

They're both wrong.
A tax won't make a change and as for the woman, oh dear. Oh very dear.



I thought the lady spoke ok .
As for 'nasty'comments, I think she was inferring size 'pig'.
Not 16-18.
I have a very busy eye for a large or 'thick' lady
I don't care much for skinny girlies, but when you've a woman that should clearly be a size X any shes XXXXXXX its wrong.
Have you been food shopping in asda and the f***ers push their trolleys around with their elbows leaning on it, fat ass sticking out.(slob guys too)
As somebody else has posted, the trolleys are full of pizza & ready cook (junk) meals.

these types finish at maccy D's (for those of you that don't shop inAdsa, Croydon Asda has a McDs IN the store)
Another drain on the NHS.


This is why i believe the govt should put the onus on the manufacturers, personally.
If it isn't there it can't be bought. Similar to me and cigs. If they were banned then i'd stop smoking.
The weak willed are a cash machine........but big business, as ever, has the final say. It's far easier (if the want is there) to restrict them than us.

Are you suggesting banning ready meals/un-nutritious food? I think that is quite draconian. Nothing wrong with treats/easy meals on occasion.

And your answer to obesity is.......no better than mine i guess as you've yet to tackle the topic.

 


Time to move forward together.

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becky Flag over the moon 02 Nov 15 8.58pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Rationing is perhaps the answer:= - certainly in the late 40's/early 50's the only fat people were tose with a medical condition...... Here's what you'd get:

Weekly ration for 1 adult
Bacon & Ham 4 oz
Meat to the value of 1 shilling and sixpence (around about 1/2 lb minced beef)
Butter 2 oz
Cheese 2 oz
Margarine 4 oz
Cooking fat 4 oz
Milk 3 pints
Sugar 8 oz
Preserves 1 lb every 2 months
Tea 2 oz
Eggs 1 fresh egg per week
Sweets/Candy 12 oz every 4 weeks

In addition to this a points system was put in place which limited your purchase of tinned or imported goods. 16 points were available in your ration book for every 4 weeks and that 16 points would enable you to purchase for instance, 1 can of tinned fish or 2lbs of dried fruit or 8 lbs of split peas.


No limits on fruit and veg (although I was 7 before I saw a banana!), but a bit of a b*gger for the foodies.......

 


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johnfirewall Flag 02 Nov 15 9.05pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Quote becky at 02 Nov 2015 8.58pm

Rationing is perhaps the answer:= - certainly in the late 40's/early 50's the only fat people were tose with a medical condition...... Here's what you'd get:

Weekly ration for 1 adult
Bacon & Ham 4 oz
Meat to the value of 1 shilling and sixpence (around about 1/2 lb minced beef)
Butter 2 oz
Cheese 2 oz
Margarine 4 oz
Cooking fat 4 oz
Milk 3 pints
Sugar 8 oz
Preserves 1 lb every 2 months
Tea 2 oz
Eggs 1 fresh egg per week
Sweets/Candy 12 oz every 4 weeks

In addition to this a points system was put in place which limited your purchase of tinned or imported goods. 16 points were available in your ration book for every 4 weeks and that 16 points would enable you to purchase for instance, 1 can of tinned fish or 2lbs of dried fruit or 8 lbs of split peas.


No limits on fruit and veg (although I was 7 before I saw a banana!), but a bit of a b*gger for the foodies.......

Never mind the limits, just having to think about what ingredient you should use for what would be an education for most kids.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 02 Nov 15 9.08pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

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Never mind the limits, just having to think about what ingredient you should use for what would be an education for most kids.


My mother could knock out a mean sponge cake using liquid paraffin instead of fat and eggs

We never had a problem with our bowels either

 


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Hoof Hearted 03 Nov 15 10.21am

The problem isn't sugar or an unhealthy diet.

It is simply a case of a decline in physical activity needed to burn off the calories consumed.

When I was a kid I walked 2 miles to school and back. Played footie in the playground at every break, did gym exercise and played house and school footy in the winter and cricket/tennis/athletics in the summer. I also helped the milkman at weekends for 5 hours a day.

When I left school I played sport for all the companies I worked for in my spare time until I reached 40 (when my joint problems began).

Up to 40 years I was very slim despite drinking and eating whatever I wanted - cream doughnuts, lager, kebabs. I simply burned the calories off with a busy schedule of activity.

Now at age 61 I am racked with arthritis and parkinsons. I hardly eat anything these days (and gave up alcohol) but have put on weight due to enforced physical inactivity which has also led to me getting Diabetes type II.

Kids nowadays will not have the good starting base I had and will develop the same major problems I have faced from an earlier age because of playstations, parents taking them to school, lack of facilities etc. They are simply not getting enough exercise.

There needs to be a sea change in attitude towards the importance of physical activity for everyone and instead of taxing sugar give grants to schools and clubs to encourage young kids to take up sport.

It's not rocket salad!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Nov 15 10.28am

Of course if we're all fit and healthy, the average life expectancy rises, and then the burden on the NHS and Pensions increases.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Nov 15 10.41am

I'm not sure that demonising sugars is necessarily a bad idea, certainly getting the information out about the fact that sugars are both a Central Nervous Stimulant and highly addictive is definitely a necessity.

There is also the problem of 'low fat' products which are simply high sugar content to replace the fact that fat tastes good.

The problem is amplified by soda drinks and fruit juices, which magnify the problem because they lack fibre, meaning the sugars in the drink are metabolised very rapidly rather than slowly. This results in the production of high levels of insulin which converts the sugar to body fat.

We need to be honest and frank about our food and what it does, rather than protect industries that are producing disease in our children and young people, but we also have to educate people at the same time. You can't just expect exercise to deal with the problem (you simply cannot exercise enough to burn off a junk food diet).

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Nov 15 11.04am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

This is not a simple issue.

Some people carry more fat than others for a start, but
Everyone can lose fat by eating less and exercising more.
Clearly we are designed to eat a less calorific diet where food is in shorter supply and we must bare this in ming when choosing how much we eat. Most just eat too much and do too little.

The problem with the young is that their mortality is just a distant abstraction. You just don't care about health when you are a kid and parents can only do so much to control the eating habits of their offspring.

Government has to encourage people to do more activity which it already does and perhaps make food manufactures limit the sugar in products.

Ultimately, your health is your concern, and everyone has to want to be more healthy. It's about education and self discipline.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Nov 15 8.18am

We need to also restrict advertising especially aimed at children.

 


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